Wax with dust repellent

[Pullar]

OK i have been using Meg Gold class liquid for some time now and really like the looks of it. However it seems to attraact the dust like a magnet. Is there a wax out there in there lineup that will provide some kind of repellent from the dust? I did a search but only the micheline break dust repellent came up.

[roushstage2]

Good luck. I wish I could find some of this as well.

[Mike Phillips]

The problem with dust magnetism is that even if a wax, (or paint protectant by any other name), could be made that is anti-static, the airborne dust in the air has an electrical charge that you cannot change.

I've been told in the past that clear coat finishes have a high negative charge to them, I'm not sure where I heard this but somewhere...

[Jeff Smith]

Originally posted by Mike Phillips
The problem with dust magnetism is that even if a wax, (or paint protectant by any other name), could be made that is anti-static, the airborne dust in the air has an electrical charge that you cannot change.

I've been told in the past that clear coat finishes have a high negative charge to them, I'm not sure where I heard this but somewhere...

At work we have aircraft refueling trucks that have a grounding strap underneath that drags on the ground. This gets rid of the static charge. I wonder if we have any other forum members who have similar work vehicles that use grounding straps like this and if they noticed whether or not there might have appeared to have been some reduction in the dust collection?

For some with say a high end show car, this might be a neat experiment. Those straps are nothing but Rubber with wire inside. They can't cost but so much.

[benhui86]

u mean these?

[Jbirk]

A car with or without wax is a dust magnet.

Provided the wax has had about 12 hours to cure, it should not be stickey, nor should it actively attract dust.

However, dust is more noticable on a waxed car than on a not waxed car.

As for the charges, I am not sure, but it makes sence.

[Jeff Smith]

Originally posted by benhui86
u mean these?

Ours are more just about 1.25" large black rubber straps with some sort of metal wire mesh in the middle.

I am sure it is the same just ours isn't for looks.

Our aircraft have a similar ground strap at each main mount. An aircraft can/will build up a rather lethal static charge during flight.

[roushstage2]

Originally posted by j333_76484
Ours are more just about 1.25" large black rubber straps with some sort of metal wire mesh in the middle.

I am sure it is the same just ours isn't for looks.

Our aircraft have a similar ground strap at each main mount. An aircraft can/will build up a rather lethal static charge during flight.

But wouldnt that strap have to be grounded to something? If I remember correctly, the strap on aircraft refeulers/fuel pumps are grounded onto something metal somewhere else. Is this at all correct?

[RamAirV1]

MPPP has anti-static properties. You will still have dust (due to gravity) but less of it compared to other waxes like GC.

RamAirV1

[Jeff Smith]

Originally posted by roushstage2
But wouldnt that strap have to be grounded to something? If I remember correctly, the strap on aircraft refeulers/fuel pumps are grounded onto something metal somewhere else. Is this at all correct?

There are actually several. One is the one I am talkng about here where it drags to ground while the Tanker Truck is in motion. This is "supposed" to help bleed off any static charge buildup while the truck has been moving and the fuel is sloshing around.

Then there is another one, I believe you are referring to, that they use when they are actually preparing to hook up to an aircraft, they will clamp this one to a ground point on the flightline to run the static charge to ground that can develope from the transfer of fuel. The Aircraft is also grounded to one of these points as well.

[Jbirk]

I haven't heard of any wax with antistatic properties. Sounds like an interesting concept, but I can't see how a wax can be made different.

Think about it. There are two choices, petroleum artificial polymer waxes, and natural carnuba disolved in petroleum distillates.

I don't know, but I think many waxes are very similar. That being said, some contain cleaners, others contain polish... you get the idea.

[escape]

I was also told once that the friction from waxing/QD/etc. would actually help build up the static charge and the vehicle would collect more dust. Kind of like rubbing your feet on the carpet in the winter or your hair against a balloon(?).
I know it would be hard to tell if a fuel truck's grounding cables actually deter dust buildup. The truck's where I work are so filthy you can't notice any dust and most are painted (repainted) in a flat paint so there is little reflection coming off. Most ramp vehicles are only "washed" by mother nature. The harder the rain the better the wash.

[Jeff Smith]

Originally posted by escape
I was also told once that the friction from waxing/QD/etc. would actually help build up the static charge and the vehicle would collect more dust. Kind of like rubbing your feet on the carpet in the winter or your hair against a balloon(?).
I know it would be hard to tell if a fuel truck's grounding cables actually deter dust buildup. The truck's where I work are so filthy you can't notice any dust and most are painted (repainted) in a flat paint so there is little reflection coming off. Most ramp vehicles are only "washed" by mother nature. The harder the rain the better the wash.

Yea,

If the friction builds up a static charge,
And, this static charge attracts wax,
And the Grounding Strap eliminates the static charge,
......

I guess it all goes together well enough that an uneduacated person like me could ASSUME that this could be a possibility.

I know what you mean about the trucks being dirty. Here at PAX they are all kind of a burnt orange I guess. Flat paint and seldom washed. Plus, between aircraft venting the fuel on approach and propwash kicking up god knows what. Who knows what else is on these things. If the Govt. did a swap test on these things they would likelyall be comdemned for health reasons.

[Jeff Smith]

I just did a bit of surfing on the subject using the terms STATIC, AUTO, DUST and GROUND.

Came up with quite a few threads more focused on painting cars than detailing but grounding does seem to be a factor with some painters. They don't seem to go with the grounding strap idea but they use several alternatives. One of which was to actually use a set of jumper cables and ground to a copper line on the water supply.

Not practical for our purposes but possibly for someone who is doing up a detail in a garage over a period of several days, this might be worth looking into.

So evidently static charge built up during the rubbing "can" attract dust. I guess it boils down to if one suspected his dust problem could be minimized by doing something about it and how far they might be willing to go to avoid this.

I have an ungaraged daily driver. OK I park at 3-4 different places a day. That means 4 8-10' copper grounding rods. Need about 20' of #4 AWG SOLID COPPER WIRE. Clamps of course. Hmmm Sledge Hammer. Hmmm. It's doable but.... NOT.

Hehe.maybe a little more research into the little grounding strap might be better.

For me this is not a big factor. But it did lead me to some interesting websites that touched on the subject. If nothing else I learned something that could have an impact on a future project.

[rusty bumper]

If I'm not mistaken, MPPP is said to have anti-static properties to it.