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Help with Wife's black 4 Runner
The hood of my Wife's 4Runner has a lot of water spots and some minor swirls. I have tried the Sonus orange pad with some Meguiars cleaner (I believe it was the step one of 2 in one of the lines - forgive me for not knowing the exact name) and it worked OK, but I still see many water mark blemishes. Should I try to hit it with some #83 or #80? If so, which one? Any help is appreciated. By the way, I clayed the hood after washing with gold class shampoo and followed up the cleaner with a green pad and some of the Sonus paint cleaner / polish I have and then put a coat of NXT on. I need to get this hood looking good because it drives me crazy. Thanks
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Hi KFM2500HEMI,
Welcome to Meguiar's Online!
If you're using the Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner, this is a chemical cleaner only and not very effective at removing paint defects. In order to remove a paint defects such as a Type II water spot or etching, (something that's below the surface), you'll need to use a paint cleaner or a cleaner/polish that contains a diminishing abrasive so you can remove a little paint.
Read this,
What it Means to Remove a Scratch
And the get yourself some M80 Speed Glaze and try again. I think the Sonus Orange Cutting Pad is a fairly aggressive foam formula, you might want to pick up one of our W-8006 Foam Polishing Pads to use with the M80 Speed Glaze as this pad is the workhorse of the industry for a reason. -
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Mike, thank you very much. I will post results once I get a chance to do this. Hopefully this weekend.Comment
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Sounds good, have fun!Comment
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Mike, I followed your steps and the 80 did not work. Perhaps 83 is the next logical choice? I washed with Gold Class Shampoo. Then used #80 as described in a post linked above. The #80 really did not do anything to the watermarks (at least that is what I think they are). Perhaps I should wash the vehicle, clay the hood, and then try again? Or just go buy #83? Help. Thanks, KyleComment
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What speed setting are you using? Also, do you have any pics?As you make a living, don't forget to live.Comment
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I know I've typed this up at least a hundred times, but here it is again, a big part of your success at removing defects with a dual action polisher is technique.
I can give a person M80, a W-8006 pad and a dual action polisher and turn them loose on one half of a hood or deck lid and I'll work the other half and my side can come out really well and their side can come out looking like hardly anything happened...
What was the difference?
When removing defects that are below the surface, you have to remove some paint. Because the dual action polisher is GENTLE, it's not very aggressive or effective at removing paint, now get this... that's why everyone likes them so much... they're SAFE.
It is this same safety feature that makes them ineffective.
So in order to use a machine that is basically jiggling on your car's finish to remove paint you have to rely on the right pad, the right product, and the right technique
The mistake I see most people make when they not getting good results is,
A) Trying to work to large of an area at one time. Focus on a 12 x 12 to 16 x 16 size area, don't try to tackle to large of an area at one time.
B) Too fast of an arm speed. This means they are moving the polisher to quickly over the surface. You want to crawl along at a snails pace. You must give the combination of pad, product and oscillating action to do some one in one area before moving on.
C) Not enough downward pressure. Most people are scared and don't push down on the head of the polisher hard enough. You don't want to bottom out the foam pad, or bod the motor down ridiculously, but you need to apply some pressure.
D) Not holding the pad flat
E) Not buffing long enough
F) Not going in at least 2 different directions.
If you think you've done everything right with the M80 Speed Glaze then this tell me, and you and everyone reading this that either your paint is as hard as glass, the defects are deep or a combination of both.
At this point you can next try M83. If this doesn't work then it's time to use a rotary buffer, take it to a professional who can use a rotary buffer, (hard to find), learn to live with the defect, or get a new paint job.
Everyone is always trying to push the dual action polisher past it's limit. It's not a rotary buffer and it is limited in the seriousness of defects it can repair.
Read this thread...
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