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  • My '96 Mustang Cobra Newbie Debacle

    Hello,

    I own a 1996 Mustang Cobra and lately the hood on the car has been looking particularly bad. The vehicle has roughly 45,000 miles on it. The first seven years the car was owned, it was stored in the garage when it was parked. Now, as a college car, the car sees a decent amount of highway driving and sits outside during the fall and spring months of the year without any protection at all. This previous semester, I neglected to wash it and remove some bird stains/water spots over the course of a month or so, and now I am paying the price for it. The rest of the car is in great condition, but the hood is really starting to show the wear.

    Here are several pictures of the hood to help gauge what I'm talking about. I apologize if they're not the best shots, but I think this gives a relatively good depiction of the quality. From a distance, it looks fine, but up close and under certain angles of light, you can REALLY start to see the swirls:

    (I didn't want to use thumbnails or lower quality images, so I'm linking to large images stored on another site)

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    http://students.ou.edu/H/Justin.M.Hayden-1/P1010022.JPG (towards the top of the image you can faintly see the swirling and spots on the middle part of the hood ... this is perhaps the worst of it)

    http://students.ou.edu/H/Justin.M.Hayden-1/P1010024.JPG (this is perhaps the best example of the swirling ... this is essentially how the rest of the hood looks)
    http://students.ou.edu/H/Justin.M.Hayden-1/P1010026.JPG (the white specks are paint chips, I believe, due to excessive highway driving ... I may just have to live with these)
    http://students.ou.edu/H/Justin.M.Hayden-1/P1010028.JPG (if you look closely, you can see some water spots/bird droppings)
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    I've been doing countless hours of research all over the 'net, from reading on Autopia.org and Zaino's site, to the Rx "prescription" and forums offered on this site. I've always used Meguiar's products on my car, and I'm essentially just looking for something newer and superior to what I'm currently applying. I've read all the hype about Zaino, Tropicare, and other products, but I'd still prefer a tried-n-true Meguiar's product. In the past, I've used relatively old bottles of the Deep Crystal three step system (cleaner (step 1), then polisher (step 2), then Gold Class wax). These might be out of date products, as the bottles for the current Deep Crystal system certainly look different.

    Based on what I've read, I've learned that I've been doing the prep process entirely wrong. I was a complete newbie with respect to the washing, claybar, and cleaning processes. Generally, when I wanted to wax the car, I'd do a standard hand wash with my usual car wash (Meguiar's "Soft Wash Gel"), then go straight into polishing and waxing. Just a few weeks ago, upon returning home for a stint for summer break, I decided to clean, polish, and wax it. I did a single application of each, and it did not resolve any of my swirling or stains. I imagine that's because I was not cleaning thoroughly enough by applying simply one application of cleaner. Now I know better.

    Anyways, as a Meguiar's user, I came here for some sort of recommendation for what would be ideal in my scenario. Like I said previously, I filled out the Meguiar's Rx form and received a recommendation, but a friend of mine informed me to use #26 Wax instead of NXT and to use #9 instead of the Deep Crystal system. He didn't really give much explanation, but I imagine it had a lot to do with the fact that #9 and #26 are specified categorically as "Professional grade."

    So, I coupled all of this input and data with the suggested five step Meguiar's process and have come out with this (I will insert specific questions at each step): ... please forgive the detail and longwindedness ... I tend to get verbose and particular when doing projects.

    1.) Wash (with Dawn or with Meguiar's Gold Class)

    Are there any pros or cons involving Dawn vs. Meguiar's Gold Class? I was under the impression the point of using Dawn was because of how "powerful" it was and ablebodied with respect to removing previous applications of wax. If a Meguiar's washing product can accomplish this, I'd rather go that route, since no matter what anyone says, I don't really trust washing my car with a dish-washing soap.

    2.) Surface Prep
    - Claybar (Meguiar's or Mother's), then
    - Swirl Removal (#9/M09 or #80/M80)

    While perusing these forums, I noticed a thread where another user had been contemplating using #9 to remove swirls and polish. However, from what I gathered in the text, you suggested using #80 in its place since the user was going to be applying by hand instead of by machine. Is this a correct assumption?

    3.) Polish with a Glaze (#7), but if #80/M80 is used, no need to further polish.

    Going back to the #80 vs. #9 question, I also gathered that #80, if used in this process, contains more polishing oils, rendering an additional polishing before the waxing relatively useless.

    4.) Wax with NXT or #26. Apply second coat if wanted.
    - NXT, then
    - #26 ("topping" NXT)

    I read the information station threads, specifically the one about topping an NXT product, which is how I obtained this process. However, I haven't decided if I want to purchase both products and do so, so I'm weighing the benefits of using NXT vs. #26. Are NXT and #26 comparable in durability and quality? I assumed since #26 is a professional grade product, it would be superior in both respects, yet the Rx prescription site still recommends NXT.

    I think that's it, for now ... once I have the process nailed down, I'll probably tackle the accessory requirements, however I'm probably just going to go the 100% cotton route in all directions.

    Thanks in advance for any correspondance or suggestions. It's amazing how much I've learned about the car care process over the last 48 hours.

  • #2
    DC#1 and #9 are too weak to remove the stains and swirls from your hood. I would at least start with #80. If you are just going to do the hood and are going to use hand application only, you might want to try Scratch X. You have to work it into the paint and you may need 2 or 3 applications, so it will take some time.
    Another good product to use by hand (or machine) is the Medallion Premium Paint Cleaner.

    The #80 will be especially effective if you have a Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher. You will not need to polish after #80, but you will need to after MPPC. You may not need to polish if you decide to go with the Scratch X by hand.

    #26 is a good product and it will serve you well. However, I would prefer the NXT Paste Wax. It is very easy to use and you will not have a hard time finding it locally.

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    • #3
      So, if I go with either the Scratch X or the MPPC, what kind of polish would you suggest? DC #2 or a professional grade product like #81?

      Also, I recalled a question I forgot to ask in my original post ... what's the deal with sealants? I understand they're applied after a waxing, but are they necessary? I'm thinking since my car sees a lot of rapid, lousy Oklahoma weather, extra protection might be justified.

      Thanks again!

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      • #4
        As for your washing question, Meguiars washes do not remove wax, they are designed to be used often and keep your wax intact. Dawn will remove wax, but just like your hands, it pulls the oils out of the paint as well, drying it out. Claying and a good paint cleaner will remove old wax, and not dry out your paint.

        I would say DC#2 would be easier if working by hand.

        In general, the terms are interchangable, however 'waxes' are often considered to contain carnuba wax, while a 'sealant' would be something polymer based, like Nxt. You might enjoy the # 21 as well.

        Good cotton towels work great, though if you have 12 bucks extra, I would highly recomend 2 of the Water Magnet Drying towels. I love the things.

        I will also mention that many of the Professional series products, esp in the '80 series, are formulated for use by machine. They can work by hand, but you generaly wont get their full potential out of them. The Waxes in the Pro line are not such a big deal to use by hand. Products like ScratchX, and DC system are more meant for use by hand.
        Last edited by Murr1525; Jun 12, 2005, 02:36 PM.
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        • #5
          I will also mention that many of the Professional series products, esp in the '80 series, are formulated for use by machine. They can work by hand, but you generaly wont get their full potential out of them. The Waxes in the Pro line are not such a big deal to use by hand. Products like ScratchX, and DC system are more meant for use by hand.
          Ah, yes, this was my concern with most of the professional grade products. Although, the name for #81 is a "Hand Polish," which I thought would imply effectiveness by hand. Some reviews I've read are that it is very effective when used in this manner.

          Right now, I'm looking at a buying list of:

          Quik Clay Detailing System, ScratchX, #81, NXT (liquid), and of course the necessary accessories.

          Would I need a cleaner to complement ScratchX? It seems like it's intended for spot use. The only thing that needs heavy cleaning is the hood. The rest of the car is free of anything but the very lightest of scratches or swirls. I was thinking something like DC#1 would be enough of a cleaner for normal use on the rest of the car, if at all.

          I guess I could always just pick up some #80 Speed Glaze and eliminate the need for DC#1/ScratchX .....

          Thanks again.

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          • #6
            that paint sure looks oxidized. go with scratchx followed by #80. that would be my choice for the polish.and don't forget to buy something like gold class wash and not dawn or something as that will worsen your paint.

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            • #7
              Thanks for the recommendation, LnkPrkSoldier.

              Also, for all of these products, do I need to do any kind of a wash inbetween each step?

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              • #8
                There are alot of ways to get great results with Megs. products. I would ask, how serious are you about getting your car looking like a show car, and how serious you are about maintaining it?

                Then, i would devise a plan of action based on your desire and expectations.

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                • #9
                  Well, I'm not serious enough to purchase a machine at this point. Simply can't afford it.

                  However, I take extreme pride in the appearance of my car. After my time constraints and neglecting it this past year, I've decided that I'm going to take all the necessary products with me and wash it weekly and treat the paint as often as is necessary with the products I purchase. From what I've gathered, the Deep Crystal system is intended for beginners. While I began this process a relative newbie, I've learned so much with regards to car care that I don't suspect I could ever go back to that blissful ignorance. I don't imagine I'll ever be taking my vehicle to a car show, though.

                  Also, as this Cobra is my first performance car, I hope to build up routines and practices that will apply to the rest of my years of car ownership. I'm sure at some point, I will own a PC or something equivalent, just not at this juncture.

                  I hope that explains it? I guess to summarize, I'm basically looking for something above and beyond the DC series.

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                  • #10
                    I'm surprised I caught this,
                    Originally posted by JMHCobra
                    Also, I recalled a question I forgot to ask in my original post ... what's the deal with sealants? I understand they're applied after a waxing, but are they necessary? I'm thinking since my car sees a lot of rapid, lousy Oklahoma weather, extra protection might be justified.
                    Thanks again!
                    As I Remember It's not a good idea to top wax with a polymer/sealant, Most polymer/sealants have a "slight" cleaner in them. This cleaner "MAY" lift or thin the wax . you "may" also have some bonding issues with the polymer/sealants over the wax.

                    I don't feel that using a polymer is an absolute necessary step, some people like polymer/sealants and other like waxes while others like both. the choice is up to you on what you like

                    I for one love the longevity and the look of a polymer/sealant toped with a wax, not the other way around.

                    You have a beautiful car and there's lots of good advice here to help you get her back in shape again

                    Good luck
                    Keep us posted
                    Rich
                    If you don't have Meguiar's in your hand
                    DON'T TOUCH MY TRUCK

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                    • #11
                      Awesome.

                      Thanks for all the input, guys. Once I get these products, I'll be sure to come back with some before and after shots, assuming everything comes out all right. If for some reason I don't get the desired look, I may be buying a machine buffer earlier than I expected!

                      Thanks again.

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                      • #12
                        Would I need a cleaner to complement ScratchX?
                        The ScratchX has cleaning power. Although, if you dont need to remove any defects, there are more specific product to only clean the paint, such as DC 1.

                        You will need to give the ScratchX a chance for the diminishing abrasives to break down, and this wouldnt be time effective on a whole car-that doesnt need it.

                        Ive never used #80 by hand. It is a professional product, and with this in mind im not sure if Megs would advise it OVER another product for hand use for defect removal or for its cleaning ability.

                        You want the best results, in proportion to your time and money spent, i guess thats how value is calculated, so is #80 more valuable with the above criteria than ScratchX and DC1?

                        Im not sure.

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                        • #13
                          Yeah, #80 might not be the proper choice in this scenario. The only bits I've read about it have been from machine application.

                          I'm relatively certain that with the proper washing and claying, DC #1 would be plenty for the rest of the car, while ScratchX should handle the problems on my hood.

                          DC #2 might even be a good enough polish for my needs, but I'd still like to give #81 hand polish a try (even if the hood doesn't need polishing after using ScratchX, I can still apply apply #81 to the rest of the car).

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                          • #14
                            Hey JMHCobra, if you are ever in the Oklahoma City area I would be happy to show you some tips and let you use my PC to see if its something you may want to get. Best 99 bucks i ever spent. I have a pretty good selection of products as well. We could take a few hours to go over it. I dont have a garage at my house to use but we could figure something out. Let me know, my sister goes to OU so im down there alot especially when its football season.
                            Last edited by soonercivic; Jun 13, 2005, 05:17 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Hey soonercivic,

                              That would definitely be fantastic! I spend the majority of summers in Tulsa, but during the fall and spring, I'm in Norman. Since I'm approaching graduation, I'll probably be staying in Norman year round after this summer. I'll be sure to keep in touch once I get back down to there.

                              Since I finally have season tickets this year, I'll be spending almost every weekend in town this fall, too.

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