MGL-D11501 Detailer Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax

[DanielM]

I was interested in buying MGL-D11501 but I saw mixed conversion rates on the forum.

Optimum No Rinse WW per auto geeks:
Rinseless: 1oz product 256oz water
Waterless: 8z product to 128oz water
Clay lube: 2oz product to 128 oz water

Can someone specify the concentration with Megs product and if can do all of that above?

Second, ONRWW support basically says this product is an AIO cleaner. Meaning I can use this on anything interior (plastic, leather, rugs etc.) and exterior (tires, rims, windows). Of course it is not a specialty product but I like knowing I can use it for everything without ruin. They even said this won’t interfere with claying, polishing or sealant bonding which I usually use a non-wax soap product for that. Does Megs do all this too?

I am finishing up my Megs gold class and am wondering if car soap is obsolete with this product even when you do a conventional wash? There is still much debate between regular car soap vs rinseless/waterless. For a quality product like Megs, I would assume that in terms of slickness (surfactants, polymers etc.) It would be Car soap, rinseless than waterless
However, wouldn’t using this product be 100% better than regular car soap even when doing a conventional wash (pre rinse, DRFE, rinse and dry)? I would assume the slickness of rinseless with the solvent power of using the hose for pre rinse and a quick rinse before drying would ensure no swirls, marring or scratches?

[Tempest]

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D114 is more of an all in one. This is a cleaner only but works very well. Use at various dilution ratios for different uses. 1:256 for light rinseless, clay & glass. 1:128 for a dirtier car or Gary Dean wash method. I like 1:64 a lot for bird bombs, bugs, floor mats...even wheels.

I've just started to use D115 at 1:8 as a detailer/light duty waterless wash and am so far very impressed. The surface is very slick after using this product.

[BillyJack]

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Don't give up on the Gold Class yet. Your profile says NY, so if it's a DD, you're dealing with winter. I stock ONR, DG Rinseless and D114, using them for 90% of my washes, but sometimes nothing short of a conventional wash will do, IMO. Again IMO, the combination of soap and pressurized water (hose or PW) is necessary from time to time to get the nasties out of the body seams and assorted nooks and crannies. I can't help you on the ratios, since I use dedicated waterless products, but I'm sure the group here will give you all the info you desire.

Bill

[The Guz]

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D114 is a rinseless wash that can be used as a waterless wash. It leaves nothing behind. You can use this on the interior and exterior.

D115 is more of a waterless wash. It leaves a wax protection behind.

In regards to ONR you have regular ONR and ONRWW which leaves protection behind.

[DanielM]

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Don't give up on the Gold Class yet. Your profile says NY, so if it's a DD, you're dealing with winter. I stock ONR, DG Rinseless and D114, using them for 90% of my washes, but sometimes nothing short of a conventional wash will do, IMO. Again IMO, the combination of soap and pressurized water (hose or PW) is necessary from time to time to get the nasties out of the body seams and assorted nooks and crannies. I can't help you on the ratios, since I use dedicated waterless products, but I'm sure the group here will give you all the info you desire.

Bill

Billy but that was one of my questions. What can gold class do that 115 can't? Can I not still do a conventional wash with 115 ( PR, wash, rinse, dry)? When combined with conventional wash method, 115 would have the upper hand (lube, surfactants, polymers and emulsifiers) to ensure no scratching or marring.

I see so many debates from the pros (very particular) between rinseless vs conventional for scratches but why has nobody especially the pros say "ditch the soap" and switch to rinseless during a conventional wash too? I can't see what possible advantage soap would have over a rinseless when rinsing?

[DanielM]

Re: MGL-D11501 Detailer Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax

D114 is more of an all in one. This is a cleaner only but works very well. Use at various dilution ratios for different uses. 1:256 for light rinseless, clay & glass. 1:128 for a dirtier car or Gary Dean wash method. I like 1:64 a lot for bird bombs, bugs, floor mats...even wheels.

I've just started to use D115 at 1:8 as a detailer/light duty waterless wash and am so far very impressed. The surface is very slick after using this product.

So I guess there is no standard dilution rate like ONR that Megs recommends? It seems like your ratios is exactly like I posted above with the recommended ONR conversion except the clay lube with they recommend 2:128.

Its funny but that was my concern. You are saying the 114 is AIO while 115 is exterior because of the wax. But the ONR admin assured me the wax will do nothing to hinder but only enhance everything it touches including the interior. So I wanted to see if he was mistaken or if Megs has different formula that would not be so.

[DanielM]

Re: MGL-D11501 Detailer Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax

D114 is a rinseless wash that can be used as a waterless wash. It leaves nothing behind. You can use this on the interior and exterior.

D115 is more of a waterless wash. It leaves a wax protection behind.

In regards to ONR you have regular ONR and ONRWW which leaves protection behind.

This was one of my questions and you seem to be saying the same thing as Tempest and what I thought.

When I asked the ONR admin because I was going to get ONR and ONRWW, he said that ONRWW can do everything that ONR can but better. He said the wax is so minimal that it will do nothing to the interior but still protect the exterior. He said the wax will not hinder claying or polishing either. I normally used a non wax soap when doing a full detail but if it does nothing wrong, more garage space for me.

I wanted to see if he was mistaken, if he was correct only for ONR or if Megs is different before I buy one giant bottle or two smaller bottle of each.

[The Guz]

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This was one of my questions and you seem to be saying the same thing as Tempest and what I thought.

When I asked the ONR admin because I was going to get ONR and ONRWW, he said that ONRWW can do everything that ONR can but better. He said the wax is so minimal that it will do nothing to the interior but still protect the exterior. He said the wax will not hinder claying or polishing either. I normally used a non wax soap when doing a full detail but if it does nothing wrong, more garage space for me.

I wanted to see if he was mistaken, if he was correct only for ONR or if Megs is different before I buy one giant bottle or two smaller bottle of each.

This video should shed some light on the two products offered by Meguiar's. It's hard to say about the ONR products. But D114 is a very versatile product.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cICbdJocUI4

[Tempest]

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So I guess there is no standard dilution rate like ONR that Megs recommends? It seems like your ratios is exactly like I posted above with the recommended ONR conversion except the clay lube with they recommend 2:128.

Its funny but that was my concern. You are saying the 114 is AIO while 115 is exterior because of the wax. But the ONR admin assured me the wax will do nothing to hinder but only enhance everything it touches including the interior. So I wanted to see if he was mistaken or if Megs has different formula that would not be so.

D115 can be used on the inside. The 1:8 should work well for a maintenance / medium cleaner with added wax protection. I've used it that way on floor mats with good results and a couple of other areas.

I use a different interior dressing because D115 and D156 are very "flat" in that there is no/little sheen or visual "enhancement". If you want a dead flat look on interior plastics then either/or of those products will work well on the interior.

D114 has no wax but is more versatile than D115 and is also much cheaper. D114 works very well for light / moderate cleaning of interiors as well (vary the dilution ratio accordingly).

[Tempest]

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Billy but that was one of my questions. What can gold class do that 115 can't? Can I not still do a conventional wash with 115 ( PR, wash, rinse, dry)? When combined with conventional wash method, 115 would have the upper hand (lube, surfactants, polymers and emulsifiers) to ensure no scratching or marring.

I see so many debates from the pros (very particular) between rinseless vs conventional for scratches but why has nobody especially the pros say "ditch the soap" and switch to rinseless during a conventional wash too? I can't see what possible advantage soap would have over a rinseless when rinsing?

There is a thing called rinsability as well as cost. You can buy Gold Class for ~$11 a gallon at Costco or D114 for ~$27 a gallon online (on sale) and both are 1 oz to a gallon. Also, a rinseless product might not be designed to rinse well with a bucket wash.

I can't see using D115 as anything but a waterless wash. Just too expensive for anything else.

[The Guz]

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To the op a rinsless wash won't replace a conventional wash. There are times when a conventional wash is needed. Both have there place.

There is a thing called rinsability as well as cost. You can buy Gold Class for ~$11 a gallon at Costco or D114 for ~$27 a gallon online (on sale) and both are 1 oz to a gallon. Also, a rinseless product might not be designed to rinse well with a bucket wash.

I can't see using D115 as anything but a waterless wash. Just too expensive for anything else.

To save you a little more money and product, the recommended dilution ration for D114 is 1oz per 2 gallons for low to moderate dirt. 1 oz per gallon for a heavier dirt. It's been posted on here quite often by Mr. Stoops. The label was supposed to be updated.

[Tempest]

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To save you a little more money and product, the recommended dilution ration for D114 is 1oz per 2 gallons for low to moderate dirt. 1 oz per gallon for a heavier dirt. It's been posted on here quite often by Mr. Stoops. The label was supposed to be updated.

Yep, you are right about that. I've never used it that way, so didn't think about it.

[DanielM]

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D115 can be used on the inside. The 1:8 should work well for a maintenance / medium cleaner with added wax protection. I've used it that way on floor mats with good results and a couple of other areas.

I use a different interior dressing because D115 and D156 are very "flat" in that there is no/little sheen or visual "enhancement". If you want a dead flat look on interior plastics then either/or of those products will work well on the interior.

D114 has no wax but is more versatile than D115 and is also much cheaper. D114 works very well for light / moderate cleaning of interiors as well (vary the dilution ratio accordingly).

Thanks for the clarification. So I will basically use the ONR conversion for this product too.

Agreed, I like to know this can be used as an AIO for quick detailing but I know for the best look I will need other specialty products too.

[DanielM]

Re: MGL-D11501 Detailer Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax

There is a thing called rinsability as well as cost. You can buy Gold Class for ~$11 a gallon at Costco or D114 for ~$27 a gallon online (on sale) and both are 1 oz to a gallon. Also, a rinseless product might not be designed to rinse well with a bucket wash.

I can't see using D115 as anything but a waterless wash. Just too expensive for anything else.

True, cost is definitely a factor but I have seen people on these type of forums go well beyond what the average person would consider costly for car maintenance. That is why I am surprised nobody has advocated using it this way. Maybe using a rinseless as a conventional when possible would add up to less claying and polishing due to the slickness and added protection. I can't see anything soap has that a rinseless doesn't for rinsablity. Maybe I will have to do an experiment and report back.

[DanielM]

Re: MGL-D11501 Detailer Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax

To the op a rinsless wash won't replace a conventional wash. There are times when a conventional wash is needed. Both have there place.



To save you a little more money and product, the recommended dilution ration for D114 is 1oz per 2 gallons for low to moderate dirt. 1 oz per gallon for a heavier dirt. It's been posted on here quite often by Mr. Stoops. The label was supposed to be updated.

I know it won't but I was advocating to why not use a rinseless wash even when doing a conventional wash? Ditch the old fashion car soap. When combined with conventional wash method, 115 would have the upper hand (lube, surfactants, polymers and emulsifiers) to ensure no scratching or marring. Maybe this would allow for less claying and polishing and actually reduce car detailing costs.

Maybe I should experiment. I am just surprised this hasn't been brought up.