Detail Tips Please

[Mike Phillips]

You still haven't answered the questions to your recommendations to use Zaino on fresh paint?

Here they are...


Hi Jon,

Thanks for adding a Meguiar's product at the end there.

Now I know Menzerna, 3M and Meguiar's all make products for use in body shop environments, but are you telling the world with your post that Zaino's paint Sealant, doesn't Seal the paint?

I have all the products here in my office and nowhere on the labels of any of these do they say, body shop safe.

Is the idea of a paint sealant to seal, or coat over the paint to protect it?

Isn't that the entire thing you Zaino and Klasse guys buy into is adding layer after layer, after layer to build up a thickness of protection on top of the paint?

If this is true, how can it not be sealing, as in coating over and thus trapping any solvents or other ingredients trying to exist the fresh paint?

Which way do you want it? The Z product is either a paint sealant, or it is not?

Note: Please post only your own words, or include any references to the rightful author of the words you post on Meguiar's Online.

Also, please explain in detail that can be proven how the Z product can both seal paint and not seal paint at the same time.

If you're going to recommend them, please answer the questions and back-up your recommendations.

Thank you!

[zr123]

Mike,

Coming back to my original post. What do you feel about polishing/waxing a freshly painted vehicle?

Your views would be much appreciated.

Thanks!
ZR

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I wanna be like Mike!! Seriously, I wish you weren't over there on the wrong coast, I'd love to get a chance to meet you & just absorb!!

That quote from Sal Zaino makes me glad I didn't go that way with car care products, makes me very hesitant to believe in his products, if he actually said it that way. I know painters, I've read books about painting (most recently one by John K??? of House of Kolor) and unless Zaino isn't what it perports itself to be, that goes against everything I've ever heard about painting/product application to fresh paint.

I am no expert on anything, paint or detailing, but my perosnal take from publications & speaking to painters is this: Washing=ok (just removes dirt from the finish). Polishing-"feeds" the paint (pure polish)=ok. Waxing/sealing=not ok. There's a lot of things used in newer paint to make it do what it needs to do (be activated, be thinned) and they are not really a part of the paint itself (the color or clear-the actual film on the car). Those things need to "dry" or dissapate out of the paint-just like new carpet lets out that smell, it's chemicals used in the making "drying" out of the carpet. Wax is basically a sealent-it puts a film between the car's paint & the enviroment-which is how it protects the paint-therefore, if it keeps enviromental ickies out, it also keeps those chemicals in. Which can cause damage to the paint. So there's my personal, non expert thoughts on new paint care...

:semiot: And those hood pics did make me cringe-and remind me why I will never use a buffer!! I'm really considering a PC though....about got the other half talked into it, he just needs to feel comfortable with the fact that it's a polisher, not a buffer, and it can't do what that buffer did in those pics!!

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by zr123
Mike,

Coming back to my original post. What do you feel about polishing/waxing a freshly painted vehicle?

Your views would be much appreciated.

Thanks!
ZR

Hi ZR,

Sorry your thread has gone so far off-topic, but TOGWT has a tendency to use forums to post other peoples words, he's known as a copy and paster, that is he copies other peoples work and posts it as his own. When asked to back up any of his statements however, he's at a loss for words.

As to your question,

Pre-TOGWT, Meguiar's has always recommend that you follow your painters recommendations. In the old days painters learned their trade through on-the-job-training, not so anymore. Now paint manufactures have their own schools as well as training classes throughout the country to educate painters on the proper use of their paint systems.

We don't know of a single paint manufacture that recommend applying any kind of sealant, no mater what the words on the bottle say it is, (Zaino calls their product a polish when in fact it's a paint protectant in that it seals over the paint to protect it).

As I read your post, your painters has offered to detail the new paint with NXT the next day. If your painter is comfortable with this than I would trust him on it, I'm sure if there ever are any problems he will back his work.

I would be curios if he could provide some type of written document from the paint manufacture whereupon they officially state their paint system can be waxed 24 hours later?

Would you mind asking him for this?

My guess is no such document exists and his practice of waxing fresh paint is just that, his practice.

Historically, most people allow their new paint to dry/cure for 30 days as a simple precautionary step. For most people, their is no rush to place a sealant on their new paint job. Allowing 30 days is just a window of time to insure any substance, solvent or otherwise, to have migrated out or off the finish.

Getting a car painted, especially a custom car and a custom paint job is a big deal, after all the time, money and work that has gone into the project, why rush applying wax because some guy on the Internet said it's okay?

Your painter, now that's another story. Go with your painters advise, he supposedly knows his paint system the best.

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On another subject, are they going to wet sand, cut and buff the new paint? As in use a rotary buffer with any kind of compound or paint cleaner, or even a cleaner/polish?

If so, that's perfectly okay, but if they are going to use a rotary buffer on the finish, I hope they will be using quality foam pads, abrasive products that utilize a diminishing abrasive, and for guaranteed swirl free results, the last process should be a thorough machine polishing using a dual action polisher and a light cleaner/polish like our M80 Speed Glaze.

Most painters don't do their own wet sanding, cutting and buffing, this is delegated to what are referred to as technicians, or painters helpers, but basically their the guys that are lower on the food chain at the body shop.

So think about this,

The great painter may lay down the most beautiful paint job, but... it's the guy who does the sanding, cutting and buffing that will make or break the painters hard work

Does that makes sense?

If it does, then the question is, how good is the guy doing the sanding and buffing and what products and tools is the body shop supplying him to use?

Wool pads?
Old fashioned compounds?

Or premium quality products?

Don't think poor quality work doesn't take place, it most certainly does,



Just do a little checking is all. I usually tell people to look around the shop, see what they can see. If a shop uses wool pads or foam pads, you should see old worn out ones as well as new ones. You should see bottles of the products they use on shelves, in carts, or next to cars being buffed on. If you see someone buffing on a car, what are they using.

Best of luck...

By the way, with all the talk about synthetic polymers, don't forget that M80 Speed Gaze by Meguiar's contains a special synthetic polymer that really is safe for use on fresh paint and the product itself is Body Shop Safe meaning it can be taken and used inside of fresh paint environments.

Meguiar's roots and history is a history of manufacturing nothing but body shop safe products. We are not the Johnny Come Lately to this industry, we are the pioneers of it.

Best of luck and be sure to take some pictures when all is said and done.

p.s.

If it were my car, as a last step, I would machine polish with M80 Speed Glaze, baby the car as much as possible for the next 30 days and then apply NXT Tech Wax. After that, maintain with premium quality washing tools including a Grit Guard, Gold Class Car Wash, premium quality car wash mitts or brushes, and then polish and wax often to insure it always looks brand new.

Grit Guard

[zr123]

Mike,

Thanks for the input!...

Q: What about #7 as opposed to #80?...


Thanks again

ZR

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by zr123
Mike,

Thanks for the input!...

Q: What about #7 as opposed to #80?...


Thanks again

ZR

M07 Show Car Glaze has been used for over 70 years as an LSP for fresh paint... Go for it!

Mike