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    Hello all, my name is Mukul and this is my first post on here even though i've been reading for the past 2-3 months

    Onto my post, I cannot really afford a good Dual Action Polisher nor is it easy to find one in Dubai! I was able to get the Meguiars Dealer here to get me the DA Power System (DAPS) for AED 250 ($69) along with the pads, a bottle of ultimate compound, swirl x, ultimate polish (which arrives tomorrow), smooth surface clay kit, NXT Tech Wax 2.0 and some supreme shine towels (which retails for $45 here, 3 pack ). (all this set me back around $220..yay..)

    Anyways, I started working on the hood of my car which is a 2014 Golf Gti Mk7, which was a gift from my dad. I had bought a groupon for detailing where the company did a mediocre job and left some holograms. I decided that I would like to give detailing a shot as I am passionate when it comes to maintaining my car. I do not wash it outside the house, its always waxed but due to parking problems I park on the street.

    I washed and clayed the car first.

    I started using the DAPS and did a test spot on the hood. It wasn't that bad to begin with with just minor swirls and a lot of scratches here and there (not too deep either). I worked the test spot with swirl x and the yellow pads and went over it 2 times horizontally and 2 times vertically (pass?) before wiping off and inspecting. It had not even touched the scratches but the swirls were gone (not that obvious to begin with). I then moved onto UC with the yellow pad and did the same (2hor and 2vert) before wiping off. Point to note is that UC is pretty hard to wipe off so i used to QD to wipe off to be safe and not rub the dry product off which will probably instill more scratches! I still had no results (not even a bit). I therefore moved onto the burgundy pad with UC and worked it the same way and then came back down to swirlx and yellow pads after. Now the test spot was decent...not great...decent). However the scratches still remain, albeit, kind of less obvious. I was fairly happy.

    I bought a pedestal 500W dual work lamp to work but it is soooo bright that it actually hides some scratches when inspecting . i turn of the light and use the two fluorescent lights on my ceiling in the garage and still noticed the scratches . I was satisfied so i decided to work the whole hood before my hands gave out.

    Now...I applied the same technique as my test spot all over the hood, UC with burgundy pad twice(total of 4 horizontal and 4 vertical passes) and then swirlx with yellow pad once (2hor and 2vert). But the scratches still remain. I remember reading a post where, marc i think, tried the DAPS on his red honda in a comparison with the DA polisher and he got amazing results using just UC and the yellow pad!! So, you can begin to see how frustrated I am with the results that I got.

    I do not get what I am doing wrong :'(

    Questions:

    1. I have read posts where it says "apply moderate pressure". Ok...but where do I apply this pressure? On the drill while im pressing the trigger or on the handle of the DAPS? I ask this because my right hand is sooo sore after just working on my hood. I hold the drill with my right hand and hold the trigger throughout as there is no trigger lock. Also, how much is moderate pressure lol? I feel like I am applying enough pressure though. Also, is there a reason that my hands(edit: palms and fingers)are soo sore after that i cannot do much for the next couple of days?

    2. Slow arm speed. I'm quite sure I was moving fairly slow with overlapping passes but at times the power of the drill is so overpowering it kind of forces my hand to move faster but I try and keep it in check..what am I doing wrong here?

    3a. How can I inspect my paint using the pedestal dual light (really silly i know..) Its too bright and hides the scratches when looking at the paint. i do notice some if i look at an angle and where the light isnt directly shining.

    3b. What am I doing wrong overall?

    summary: I apply a decent amount of pressure, i overlap, i do the cross hatch style, i go over the area twice horizontally and twice vertically before wipe off (more-so due to the UC drying up), I wipe and inspect and then repeat.

    wow that was a handful, and I apologize for the long post but i'm in a rut and i really want to fix my car and get rid of scratches

    Thank you in advance

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    Re: New to detailing - Need some help with DA Power System

    Oh..when i started, I applied 3 pea size drops to the pad and worked it in. On my second application, i did not apply product again, i just misted the pad with QD and pressed the pad on the paint a lot of product was still left over, so i repeated this "pressing" on a few spots in my work area and then did my second application.

    i also tried the cleaning the pad on the fly method but its quite difficult with the DAPS, instead I put the towel flat on the bench and applied pressure on it and then turned it on while holding the daps (as it spins freely otherwise). I felt there wasn't much success so after a few applications, i just changed to a new pad as i was only working the hood.

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    • #3
      Re: New to detailing - Need some help with DA Power System

      Anyone....?

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      • #4
        They will come and answer all ur questions. And give u some great advice at that. One note tho on the scratches u say, if u can feel them with ur fingernail then it cannot be corrected as its to deep. The most u can do is make it less noticeable.

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        • #5
          Re: New to detailing - Need some help with DA Power System

          Thanks Jarhead, there was only one scratch that I could feel with my fingernail, the rest were/are light and when passing over them with my fingers I cannot feel them.

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          • #6
            Ur on the right track. I say use UC with the burgundy pad. Do a 1x1' spot at a time. Use moderate pressure on both handles evenly. Do a few passes then wipe, if not satisfied and another 3 pea sized drops of UC and repeat. Make sure to clean ur pad every few passes. After the 2nd pads go to ultimate polish. Swirl x is really not needed as an xtra step as by what u described. U can try that. Others will come in and give u some added advice. Picture will also help us so we know what ur working with.

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            • #7
              Re: New to detailing - Need some help with DA Power System






              This is the best I could do as this is all I took photos off while working. Hope it helps a bit.

              As for the method, I applied UC to a small section (not really sure what 1x1 is) but as a frame of reference, i split my hood into 12 sections (on a vw golf..). Are you saying I should keep applying UC and going over it a few times (passes) until I am satisfied? In this case I did 2 applications before moving onto swirlx. I only have swirlx for now, ultimate polish has arrived at the megs dealer and I just need to pick it up.

              As you can tell, the scratches are the ones closest to the light, it only shows a few but thats how it is all over. For some reason this halogen light I purchased is extremely bright and doesn't help me find the scratches as easily, weird as thats primarily what I purchased it for But I did manage to pick some up in the pictures.

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              • #8
                Re: New to detailing - Need some help with DA Power System

                Good advice given. The only thing I can think of is that although the DAPS is great the results are not going to be quite the same as with a DA due to the limitation of the tools power. I could be wrong but that would be my guess as I have never used the DAPS. The paint could also be on the hard side and you may have to step up to a more aggressive compound such as M105/M101. Michael Stoops would be the one to give the best response.

                With you having a hard time removing UC, I am thinking you either used too much product or overworked it. Possibly the surrounding environment was to hot and humid. I would recommend you pick up a pad brush to clean your pads. They are great to have.

                As far as a light, consider looking into an LED flashlight. It sounds like the one you have is just to bright and washing out the defects so you can't see them.
                99 Grand Prix
                02 Camaro SS

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                • #9
                  Re: New to detailing - Need some help with DA Power System

                  Thanks for the tips, I am on a budget haha so getting more products is kind of...difficult not to mention that it takes a long time to source them as getting them here is already difficult. No one stocks the professional line as far as I know so the consumer line is the best I can do. I have already spent $220 on getting the stuff needed to start and it will be a while till I can save up anymore .
                  I do clean the pad as often(ever other application) by squeezing the DAPS and turning it on - onto a white towel. But after 2-3 times of doing this I just switch to a new pad as i feel its safer/easier as i now own 4 burgundy pads and 5 yellow pads. I probably overworked it as its Dubai..and even though its winter it was about 25-26degrees celcius at the time (77-79 degrees). I only used 3 pea sized drops of product as always recommended. I will be receiving ultimate polish tomorrow evening and plan on working on my roof on Wednesday. The paint could be quite hard as these new VW's from Germany tend to be...but I can't discern the difference between hard and soft paints to be honest.

                  But a point to mention is how painful using the DAPS is. My fingers and palm of my hand get extremely sore, so working a panel is the maximum I can do. On Wednesday I will try and work the compound a couple more times, and try to fix the "pressure" as applying pressure on the handle of the DAPS is pretty straightforward but applying pressure on the drill is harder than it seems, as holding the trigger and trying to applying pressure is quite impossible :P

                  Maybe I'm being too OCD with these scratches but the results some other people have had with the DAPS on the forum has been great! I do not have any swirls which is awesome but the scratches bug me as this is my own car and I really want to keep in the best possible condition.

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                  • #10
                    I told u people will come and guz advice is spot on as he is far more experienced than me. As far as being OCD there's not one person on here who isn't so don't worry bout that. With the pain in ur hands with the daps it goes with the territory as most machines do that after awhile, it's just some are worse than others.
                    Also be sure ur working in the shade and try and make sure the paint is cool when working. That will dry ur product out if its too hot. What I meant by a 1'x1' is that with a da u want to keep ur working area to a 2 foot by 2 foot square. And the 1x1 is just shrinking that down to 1 foot by 1 foot.
                    Guz is right that a da will be better results, but u still can get great results from the daps as mr stoops has pointed out before. Are u using a cordless drill or a corded drill? A cordless is not recommended as it doesn't have the torque needed so that can be a problem if that's what ur using.
                    As far a pads u will need a few to do the whole car even if u clean them on the fly. With the small pads 4 will probably just do the front end as even u clean the pad on the fly still to much product gets built up. So u will have to physically clean and wash. Let dry before u give another go at it.
                    Another option that would be perfect is microfiber pads if u had a da. I don't know if they will work on the daps. But if they do and u can get a hold of them that would be another option as they are all the rave.
                    That's all ill right now as its too long as is. Hopefully some more of the other more experienced guys will chime in soon.

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                    • #11
                      Re: New to detailing - Need some help with DA Power System

                      Thanks Jarhead, I will try working a smaller area tomorrow. I plan on doing the roof of the car to get my technique right as it isn't that big of an area due to a half-panoramic sunroof, which takes up half the roof.

                      I'm using a corded drill that is rated at 2500-2900 rpms I think, so i'm covered on that end. Your'e right, there was a lot of product build up and at one point while cleaning the burgundy pad "on the fly" I noticed its quite wet and took the pad off. To my surprise all the product had seeped in and come out the back of the pad...crazy! Won't happen again as i figured out when to stop. This is why my cleaning on the fly technique had me a bit worried, making me just opt to change the pad instead :P

                      Thanks for all your help so far mate!

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                      • #12
                        Re: New to detailing - Need some help with DA Power System

                        This may sound stupid, but in terms of the light being too strong, you may try to use sunglasses for inspection. At least for my light metallic car, inspecting it in the sunshine - it blinds one so bad, that sunglass was the only solution...

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                        • #13
                          Re: New to detailing - Need some help with DA Power System

                          hahah szladob, that's not a bad idea :P

                          A little update - I worked on my roof today and it was 10 times harder than the hood! It just isn't easy to use a drill mounted tool on an area like the roof, it was extremely uncomfortable and difficult to work, not to mention extremely difficult to hold the drill and control it, i bet a DA will be so much easier to handle. Either way, I tried working using the methods that you guys suggested but I still don't see wonderful results. The roof is like a mirror, but theres a lot of small scratches still remaining. I tried UC 3 times in each area today, followed by 1 application of UP and sealed with NXT 2.0. I'm happy for now. But i'm sure the results are no where near what I achieved on my hood as I reached a point where I could NOT work on some areas of the roof, they were just impossible to reach (i had a 2 step ladder to help to no avail) and it pretty much killed my hands...

                          I'm thinking of maybe getting a DA polisher for my birthday in March and I can keep the DAPS for areas like the A pillars, exhausts, lights and hard to reach areas. I've looked at a lot like the PC, Flex etc. Which would be the best for someone just starting out? I watch the Junkman's videos and he did a demo of using the PC and the Flex and said they are both completely different machines with the PC needing extremely slow arm movement, and the Flex needing half of that and something about their "motions" being different?

                          The only problem is that it is so difficult to find any machines in Dubai! I visited Ace Hardware and looked at a few machines but all I could find is a "Dual Action Sander"...and boy was it expensive! Gah...i'm so lost haha. Wish we had stores like you guys do in the US, no detailing companies here either so I really don't know what to do!

                          Would a DA be a lot more comfortable to use? I wish Michael Stoops would step in and bless this thread

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                          • #14
                            Re: New to detailing - Need some help with DA Power System

                            In regards to your lighting problems... I have found that the best lighting for my situation is a headlamp like campers and backpackers use. Make sure if you get one that it has a few different brightness settings and not just one level of light output. Another bonus is that it is always focused on the spot you are looking at and it is hands-free. Hope this helps... good luck.

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