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  • Menzerna compounds and polishes - really dusty? Suggestions for 1 step on Mercedes

    I just picked up some Menzerna products to try on the constant work flow of Mercedes I've been getting lately. Haven't had the results I wanted with certain body panels and older paint with 105, 205, and D300. Tried out PG 1000 and SI 1500 on the Flex with a 6" LC white pad on my 2011 Regal that needed a little more work after wet sanding the hood. With the PG 1000 I started with a small amount of product (3 decent size drops) but it felt too dry and grabby, started to see a little dust. I added some more, spread on the panel, and within 15 seconds there was dust flying everywhere. The more I worked it the better it felt and the dusting slowed down until I ran over a body line. Looked like a flour balloon busted on my hood. Nice cut on the white pad, could have gone with an orange but I was just experimenting. It did leave just a slight bit of micro-marring but figured I'd fix that in a later stage.

    Next was the SI 1500. I put 4 lines on the pad, spread over the panel on speed 1, then knocked it up to 5. Got a fair amount of dust, similar to M105, and like the PG 1000, the more I worked it, the more the dusting slowed down. Again, every time I ran over a body line, I got a lot of dust. It took about 3-4 passes till the dusting settled down and I could watch the oils go to work. When the dusting started again I gave the pad a shot of M-34 and got a bit more working time. The SI 1500 brought out a bit more gloss and cut out most of the micro-marring. I'm figuring I may need to experiment some more with priming and amount of working product, size of the area I'm working, machine speed, and spraying the panel with chilled distilled water before and during polishing. I'll follow up later with SF 4000 and then 4500 on black and blue pads to see how much more I can get out of it. The heat and humidity of SC summers seems to **** the life out of some polishes pretty quick. Meg's products aren't too bad about dusting when it's warm, with the exception of 105. Got that fixed with the 405 trick, 300 primed MF pad and 105 to work with. Now I wonder what would happen if I added a little 300 or 302 to the Menzerna. Guess we'll find out.

    Also looking for a good one step for this finish. I used White Wax mixed with a little 302 on a MF finishing pad and got pretty good results on a white CLK-320. Nothing spectacular but what the customer was looking for. It took a lot of grime off of 10 year old paint and cut down a lot of the lighter swirls. I've got a black E-350 scheduled for next week, 6 months old with a few swirls and a little scratch here and there. The owner doesn't want to spend a lot so it cuts my options a bit. I have the White Wax, 100, 105, 205, 300, 302, ColorX, and the Menzerna products from above to include FG400, Color Lock, and Power Lock. Pads are LC, blue through yellow(5.5"-6") and Meguiar's MF Xtra, cutting, and finishing(5.5"). Any suggestions or more experience with Mercedes and PPG Ceramiclear?

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    Re: Menzerna compounds and polishes - really dusty? Suggestions for 1 step on Mercede

    Found the solution to medium to heavy defects on one Mercedes today and finished out better than Menzerna. Yep, it was Meguiar's all along. M100, orange LC, Rupes 21. 2-3 passes on 5 then 2-3 on 3. Came out looking almost LSP ready, similar to D300/MF cutting pad on some other paints. I think my problem yesterday was a combo of heat, humidity, and my lack of experience with Menzerna products. I got a little dust today but not too bad. What dust I did get quickly turned to blue bits of stickiness. Didn't have a problem getting it off with a MF. It really shined on the rear bumper. Before starting it looked like someone rubbed it with a scotchbrite pad back and forth then rubbed road grime into the scratches. I used Dodo Juice Ferrous Dueler to get the nastiness out of the paint then clayed the car. Once I ran the M100 over the bumper about 5 times the scratches were cut down where they wouldn't be seen 6 feet away. Still there and they cause a bit of dullness but much better than before. I'm not going any further with it other than a light polish since I don't think the risk is worth the return. Once I finish with 100 I'll work on figuring the polish. I think that will give me a pretty good reference to start with a one step for slight swirls.

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    • #3
      Re: Menzerna compounds and polishes - really dusty? Suggestions for 1 step on Mercede

      Glad you got it worked out.
      99 Grand Prix
      02 Camaro SS

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      • #4
        Try M205 for polish after M100. I use M205 on black paint and it looks great. If you need to go further try Ultimate Polish. It too works good with just a little less cut than M205. Or you can use M205 and vary the finishing pad.
        I can tell you know what you are doing but here goes anway.

        M205 LC white pad
        UP LC red or other finish pad
        Extreme Radiance Detailing

        2001 C5 Corvette - Black
        2010 LT2 Camaro - Victory Red

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          Re: Menzerna compounds and polishes - really dusty? Suggestions for 1 step on Mercede

          Originally posted by gclark26 View Post
          Try M205 for polish after M100. I use M205 on black paint and it looks great. If you need to go further try Ultimate Polish. It too works good with just a little less cut than M205. Or you can use M205 and vary the finishing pad.
          I can tell you know what you are doing but here goes anway.

          M205 LC white pad
          UP LC red or other finish pad
          Exactly what I was thinking. I still want to try the Menzerna SF 4000 and 4500. I'll do test spots of M205 and the Menzerna products to see which one, or combination works.

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          • #6
            Romad81
            I too am curious about the same Menzerna products.
            Please keep us informed on you test results.
            Extreme Radiance Detailing

            2001 C5 Corvette - Black
            2010 LT2 Camaro - Victory Red

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            • #7
              Unfortunately the owner has been transferred and will be leaving before we can get the polishing done. Pretty short notice and he has some personal issues to take care of in another state before he gets to his new location. I got a coat of Dodo Juice Blue Velvet Pro on before he leaves tomorrow and even without polishing it looks pretty good. I'll see the car again in a few months and maybe get to the polishing then. I got a few after pics and will get them up tomorrow. They didn't turn out great due to lighting but it was definitely a huge turnaround from what it had been.

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              • #8
                In the meantime I'll be working on my car and a few others. Mine probably won't get M100 since it's a softer metallic black. Ultimate compound hazed it when I did a test spot by hand. I'll probably try M105 on a white pad then the Menzerna 4000 or 4500 with an adjacent test spot with M205 or D302 on a white or black pad. Meguiar's hasn't let me down in all the years I've been using the products. Never found anything it couldn't fix although I'll keep the others for that just in case job.

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                • #9
                  Re: Menzerna compounds and polishes - really dusty? Suggestions for 1 step on Mercede

                  UC hazing on the paint is very rare. If UC hazed the paint then M105 will do the same. It's more aggressive than UC. Try following up with M205 or ultimate polish to remove the haze and refine the finish.
                  99 Grand Prix
                  02 Camaro SS

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                  • #10
                    Re: Menzerna compounds and polishes - really dusty? Suggestions for 1 step on Mercede

                    If you're using a Rupes 21 and you want some serious cut with minimal dust and a killer finish on harder paints, put M100 on a microfiber cutting pad and run that tool at speed 5 with moderate pressure and slow passes. Even 3000 grit sanding marks on seriously hard paint will be obliterated in no time, and the finish will most likely look LSP ready or awfully darn close.

                    Earlier this year at Autorama in Detroit we were approached by a car builder who was horrified to find "heavy swirls" in the roof of their car when unloading it from the truck after a non stop drive from the Pacific Northwest. Those "heavy swirls" turned out to be sanding marks - 1500 grit hand sanding marks no less.

                    This is where we started. You can see that these are not typical spider web type swirls but rather hand sanding marks in multiple directions.


                    To be very candid, D300 on a DMC5 microfiber cutting pad with the G110v2 was taking a very long time to make much progress. So we grabbed a bottle of M100 and went at it. Two aggressive passes and we got this:


                    That is after compounding only - no finish polishing, no wax. And again, this was done with a G110v2, not a Rupes 21. Again, to be very candid, we did have some dust, but it wasn't the sort of situation you described. Given that we were working without compressed air to clean the pad, the level of dust was more than acceptable. Had we been able to blow the pad out with air as we normally would, the dusting would have been far, far less.

                    Speaking from a purely personal point of view, M100 on a microfiber pad has become my personal go to when working on harder paint, especially when there are a lot of defects to deal with.
                    Michael Stoops
                    Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                    Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Menzerna compounds and polishes - really dusty? Suggestions for 1 step on Mercede

                      Finally got the pics up. Sorry for the quality and lighting. Still working without my good camera and the weather was barely cooperating. Thanks for the suggestions. Mike, I saw those pics a while back and a challenge you were given, something about M101 and sanding marks. Your answer was M100 and MF cutting pads so I had to give it a try. I had more foam pads than MF so I went with them. Fit the bill fine with this one. In the right light you can still see a few deeper marks but can't do too much better without getting risky.








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                      • #12
                        Re: Menzerna compounds and polishes - really dusty? Suggestions for 1 step on Mercede

                        I bought Menzerna 450, 2500 and 4500 for woodworking on a large dining table General Finishes clear coat and didn't love it. Ended up using Meguiars to correct and bring it to a high shine. But on my silver Highlander Menzerna 450 was awesome after 2000 grit Mirka to bring the clear coat to an awesome shine with no swirls on the rear bumper which was awesome before I had a yellow bolster attack the bumper again. Anyway, try the 450 if you have it. It says it will bring 1200 grit up to a polish and it worked for me. It would be a shame to toss a good bottle.
                        Romad- The Mercedes looks great

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                        • #13
                          Re: Menzerna compounds and polishes - really dusty? Suggestions for 1 step on Mercede

                          The Sf4500 is the best in the market if looking for Diamond Gloss finished. But the M205 is as good as the SF4500

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                          • #14
                            Re: Menzerna compounds and polishes - really dusty? Suggestions for 1 step on Mercede

                            I have a bit of experience with FG400 and SF4000... I haven't been overly impressed with either. They seem to gum up quickly and have a fairly short work time, but I haven't noticed any dusting from either of them.

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