need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?

[KIA HYBRID]

Re: need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?

I just got a very good lesson in wax ..Now I know for a rich nice deep shine it's carnauba.Which will have to done every other month.For a longer protection and not a deep shine it's a synwar.i want the nice deep shine so it going to be carnauba and the UQW as a booster. An will use UQD before I add the UQW.But I will still try the UQW while I dry the car on the weekly wash.I 'm sorry just a change of mind from the other post about going down Ultimate Road.I will still use Ultimate in the wash and polish and QW.From the link that was posted about synwar and carnauba I live in place which is hot(GEORGIA,USA) and this car is a daily drive and is a non-garaged.So carnauda fit the bill just right here.Also a good time to have a little W&R(WAX and RELAX) time to self.LOL.JUST WANT THE RICHES DARK CAR IN TOWN.It may drum up me some business.Small town and no full detail shop here.Let's hope I get a couple and they will buy the DA machine and I can get into the swirls removing stage.Just 1 step at a time. No big plans yet.Because I would need a garaged for all that.

[The Guz]

Re: need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?

Prove it, then. You can't. All you'll find are apocryphal and irrelevant comparisons, apples and oranges. I respect everyone's experience and knowledge, when it is experience and knowledge, but this issue is a total BS myth perpetuated by people on boards like this who really should know better.

Besides, your synwaxes do not last as long as you guys assume they do, and all waxes need to be boosted at least every few weeks, if not more often for a daily driver, especially if non-garaged, especially if in a hot environment, and especially if dark. No wax on the market is going to last beyond a few weeks at 100%, not where I live. Anyone on these boards who somehow expects their waxjob to stay perfectly fresh for months and months and months with no maintenance as some form of proof that "it lasts longer", is someone whose "advice" is meaningless to me and the thousands, or millions, of other people reading these forums. That goes double for someone who is not detailing a dark or black car at a show car level.

If Ultimate or NXT is someone's favorite wax based on their own comparisons, that's fine with me, no argument. But don't assume you're right in presuming Gold Class, Yellow #26, or any other carnauba/syn blend, is in any way inferior or lesser than or does not last or requires re-waxing significantly more often, because you are wrong. Worse still, do not presume that Ultimate or NXT are the right waxes for everyone in every situation for every vehicle, because they are not.

I don't have to prove it. The science, chemists and manufacturers already did the heavy leg work. There are plenty of posts on this forum and other detailing forums, across the internet. Along with many articles. As it's been said many times a synthetic will out last a carnanuba. Nobody is saying that Gold Class, M26, Deep Crystal Carnauba or even all of the cleaner waxes are bad products. Do you think Meguiar's would sell a product that they don't stand behind? Davey said it right and I refer you to his comment.

This is a very good read and it says everything that I don't need to say. I'm sure you will think it's not true but so be it.

http://www.autogeek.net/qude101.html

Next thing you will pobably not believe is that the latest and greatest technology (aka a coating) will outlast a selant and a carnuaba. Or do you believe a carnauba can outlast a coating? If you do then I suggest you research and test it out for yourself. Now there are sealants than can give a coating a run for it's money (colinite, klasse, etc...). A coating will also degrade with time.

Everyone knows that nothing lasts forever. If it did these companies would be out of business.

You bring up boosting. Which is the proper thing to do but that will only get you so far regardless of what type of wax/sealant you use. Nobody is disputing that because it's been proven. But after a certain period of time all you will be seeing is the actual effect of the spray wax and not the original coat of wax/sealant. As Jason Rose once said on a podcast (It was either on the smoking tire podcast or on Larry's Ammo NYC podcast) it's called surface tension. Anytime someting is applied to the surface it changes the tension of the surface.

Testing a product without any maintenance is the exact way to determine how long a wax/sealant lasts.

There are so many variables that influence the longevity of a coat of wax. I do believe the literature and comments from Meguiar's employees about the potential longevity of Ultimate Wax. An example of the sales literature when Ultimate Wax was introduced:

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?46204-Ultimate-Wax&p=439865&viewfull=1#post439865

Whether the comments about a specific synthetic would apply to all synthetics in general, is unlikely. I do use Ultimate Liquid Wax most often, if not always, on vehicles for other folks.

I agree with you. The environment plays a huge role. It's been well documented and discussed.

I'm curious: Do you think that the official Meguiar's statement that UW is their "longest lasting wax" is BS as well?

Also, I don't think that anyone has suggested that Gold Class, Yellow #26, or any other carnauba/syn blend are inferior to UW / NXT - only that they do not last as long. And I think it would be plain silly to suggest UW / NXT are the right waxes for everyone. That's why other choices exist. The main reason people go for carnaubas, or carnauba blends is because of the looks they impart to the paint - darker colors in particular. There are plenty of other reasons too, not least of which is just plain personal preference.

Well said. A sealant has it's own look as does a carnauba. Topping is pretty common to get the best of both worlds. I was just stating that on a daily driver I prefer to use a sealant. I don't want to be waxing 3-4 times a year when I can do it twice a year and maintain along the way. I in fact top my sealant with a carnuba just for the fact that is changes the look.

[davey g-force]

Re: need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?

Prove it, then. You can't. All you'll find are apocryphal and irrelevant comparisons, apples and oranges. I respect everyone's experience and knowledge, when it is experience and knowledge, but this issue is a total BS myth perpetuated by people on boards like this who really should know better.

Besides, your synwaxes do not last as long as you guys assume they do, and all waxes need to be boosted at least every few weeks, if not more often for a daily driver, especially if non-garaged, especially if in a hot environment, and especially if dark. No wax on the market is going to last beyond a few weeks at 100%, not where I live. Anyone on these boards who somehow expects their waxjob to stay perfectly fresh for months and months and months with no maintenance as some form of proof that "it lasts longer", is someone whose "advice" is meaningless to me and the thousands, or millions, of other people reading these forums. That goes double for someone who is not detailing a dark or black car at a show car level.

If Ultimate or NXT is someone's favorite wax based on their own comparisons, that's fine with me, no argument. But don't assume you're right in presuming Gold Class, Yellow #26, or any other carnauba/syn blend, is in any way inferior or lesser than or does not last or requires re-waxing significantly more often, because you are wrong. Worse still, do not presume that Ultimate or NXT are the right waxes for everyone in every situation for every vehicle, because they are not.

I'm curious: Do you think that the official Meguiar's statement that UW is their "longest lasting wax" is BS as well?

Also, I don't think that anyone has suggested that Gold Class, Yellow #26, or any other carnauba/syn blend are inferior to UW / NXT - only that they do not last as long. And I think it would be plain silly to suggest UW / NXT are the right waxes for everyone. That's why other choices exist. The main reason people go for carnaubas, or carnauba blends is because of the looks they impart to the paint - darker colors in particular. There are plenty of other reasons too, not least of which is just plain personal preference.

[wifpd4]

Re: need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?

There are so many variables that influence the longevity of a coat of wax. I do believe the literature and comments from Meguiar's employees about the potential longevity of Ultimate Wax. An example of the sales literature when Ultimate Wax was introduced:

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?46204-Ultimate-Wax&p=439865&viewfull=1#post439865

Whether the comments about a specific synthetic would apply to all synthetics in general, is unlikely. I do use Ultimate Liquid Wax most often, if not always, on vehicles for other folks.

[The Guz]

Re: need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...e-of-wax/page3
Post #22

"if your quick detail spray becomes a bit more difficult to wipe off, that's a good indication that it's getting thin and is due for a fresh application."

This is a pretty old post and I am not sure if this stance has changed.
But just in case anyone is interested since we are on the topic of durability of waxes.

Good link.

[C8N]

Re: need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?6825-The-Squeak-Test-How-to-test-for-the-presence-of-wax/page3

Post #22

"if your quick detail spray becomes a bit more difficult to wipe off, that's a good indication that it's getting thin and is due for a fresh application."

This is a pretty old post and I am not sure if this stance has changed.
But just in case anyone is interested since we are on the topic of durability of waxes.

[Top Gear]

Re: need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?

It's been proven that a full syntethic will outlast a carnauba based wax. That is no myth.

Prove it, then. You can't. All you'll find are apocryphal and irrelevant comparisons, apples and oranges. I respect everyone's experience and knowledge, when it is experience and knowledge, but this issue is a total BS myth perpetuated by people on boards like this who really should know better.

Besides, your synwaxes do not last as long as you guys assume they do, and all waxes need to be boosted at least every few weeks, if not more often for a daily driver, especially if non-garaged, especially if in a hot environment, and especially if dark. No wax on the market is going to last beyond a few weeks at 100%, not where I live. Anyone on these boards who somehow expects their waxjob to stay perfectly fresh for months and months and months with no maintenance as some form of proof that "it lasts longer", is someone whose "advice" is meaningless to me and the thousands, or millions, of other people reading these forums. That goes double for someone who is not detailing a dark or black car at a show car level.

If Ultimate or NXT is someone's favorite wax based on their own comparisons, that's fine with me, no argument. But don't assume you're right in presuming Gold Class, Yellow #26, or any other carnauba/syn blend, is in any way inferior or lesser than or does not last or requires re-waxing significantly more often, because you are wrong. Worse still, do not presume that Ultimate or NXT are the right waxes for everyone in every situation for every vehicle, because they are not.

[KIA HYBRID]

Re: need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?

luck must be on my side..no swirls or cobwebs..i'm here in Georgia where the sun shine bright..i look for them(swirls & cobwebs) everyday.i have not did anything to the car yet.but wash and dry.

[davey g-force]

Re: need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?



Or better still... Direct sunlight will show up any swirls / cobwebs very well.

Then again not everyone is bothered by mild swirls and/ or not everyone has an eye for spotting them!

[Jarhead0754]

U have alot if maintainance to keep up with a black car. But go ahead and get urself a da. Ilike davey said its almost fool proof. If u can operate a sander then u can do a da. Also have u taken a light to the car close up to see if u have any cobwebs? It's almost impossible to get a black car flawless, and especially coming from a dealer.

[KIA HYBRID]

Re: need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?

yes that's the goal..to keep this black looking wet for years to come..an black car just don't look right when it's dirty.

[billddrummer]

Re: need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?

Welcome, KIA HYBRID, fellow Hyundai family owner I think you will be pleasantly surprised if you can wash your car as normal, then clay it, then polish it, and then wax with a thin layer. You can tell a car that has been polished instead of merely waxed because it generally has a very deep mirror-like wet shine, and with black, the difference will be stunning, particularly with Gold Class on black, and especially if you can use a DA machine instead of doing this by hand.

Since I bought my Hyundai, I've noticed that owners of newer vehicles seem focused on keeping them shiny.
The company makes really good looking vehicles, up and down the product line.

[davey g-force]

Re: need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?

Although using a DA may seem a bit daunting at first, it's really quite foolproof.

There are heaps of videos for beginners, showing how to use a DA. In particular, check out some vids by Mike Phillips.

[KIA HYBRID]

Re: need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?

I will go down the road call Ultimate with everything(wash,wax,polish) .It will be all done by hand.Don't have a DA machine and scare to use 1 because I need some1 to show me how without messing up my car.But I'm willing to try it out.Car is just 2 months old and all bathes he have took have been by hand.I hope BENJAMIN BLACK(name daughter give car) stay swirls free.I will follow your advice Top Gear and keep Benjamin clean in between bathes with QD/QW..THANKS AGAIN TO ALL.

[KIA HYBRID]

Re: need to know if what i'm about to do is too much or not enough?

Thanks everybody...