Ultimate Compound followed by Ultra Finishing 205.

[larry0071]

I thought I had been using ultimate compound and ultimate finishing polish, but while doing more work on my son's 04 stealth grey Grand Prix, I realized that I actually picked up Meguiars 205 instead of UFP.

Am I leaving anything on the table with 205 as my final step compared to the ultimate finishing polish?

The paint is looking pretty good, some soft edged swirls remain but all of the crisp, reflecting swirls have gone or softened (rounded off the edges?) And the paint looks much more clear and the metallic pops nicely.

I'm using the ultimate compound on a red 7006 cutting pad and following with 205 on a 8006 yellow polishing pad. Machine is a Ported Cable 7424XP on setting 4.5.

I'll try to get some pictures uploaded to photo bucket and attached.

[h_bomm]

Re: Ultimate Compound followed by Ultra Finishing 205.

There is nothing wrong with using 205 instead of Ult Polish. In fact, UP is derived from 205. I believe the main differences are the abrasives each one uses, SMAT for 205 and DMAT for UP, and UP will have a little more polishing oils than 205 will. 205 will have a bit more cut than UP, which I see you are noticing. When you're done go ahead and top her off with your wax of choice and enjoy the view!

[larry0071]

Thanks for the reply. I was wondering if the soft swirls I can see would be better diminished with Ultimate Polish, but it sounds like UP would likely do less work than this 205.

This is my Meguiars shelf in the garage.


This is what I'm starting with. After 10 years and 118K miles on it, it's got some swirl to be reckoned with.


This is what I'm ending with, the soft edged swirl I can still see will not show up in pictures. Maybe I'm trying to be to much of a perfectionist?








The fenders were really bad, I suspect previous owner leaned on the sides of the car regularly.

Should I keep going over them to chase the swirling, or should I stop here and be happy with less swirls than before, but some still remaining?





Overall, I'm not unhappy. This is a 10 year old car that doesn't seem to have ever been waxed. The saving grace is that it was garaged and not used in winter. She's in beautiful condition inside and underneath, now I'm wanting the paint to look as good as the rest.

[Murr1525]

Re: Ultimate Compound followed by Ultra Finishing 205.

if anything, I would try the UC on the polishing pad, then 205.

205 and Ult Polish are both smat, but the 205 is slightly stronger. I think 205 will suit you fine, if not better.

[Jarhead0754]

I noticed u got 105 in ur arsenal to. So look at uc and up as a 105 & 205. Both great combos. But the 105/205 just a tad stronger. Not by much

[The Guz]

Re: Ultimate Compound followed by Ultra Finishing 205.

Like everyone else said it is fine. M205 has slightly more cut than UP and UP has slightly more polishing oils than M205. You may have better luck with M105 to remove those swirls on this hard clear. If you have a microfiber cutting pad that will definitely remove those. If you are satisfied with it then just follow up UC with M205 and seal it.

[Daniel Kinder]

Re: Ultimate Compound followed by Ultra Finishing 205.

Hey larrry

Nice collection of meguiars products! Your like me, your need a storage cabenett. I've been thinking about the craftsman when founds allow. Like this one.

[larry0071]

I see people talk about polishing oils and pure polishing oils, are polishing oils a product that you buy? Like, I have the show car glaze, is that a pure polishing oil?

After doing the UC and 205, should I glaze prior to nano coating, or will that inhibit the bond?

What about residual polishing oils from the 205, will it prevent the nano coating from adhering?

Should I go back outside with it and rash to wash off any residual polishing oils and not glaze it, and then bring it in for the Second Skin 6 coating?

I'm also assuming that after I do the coating of SS6 I can wait a day and then go over top with high tech yellow? I normally use a sealant (FS UPP) and leave the paint sit overnight and then follow with high tech. That gives a really wet deep look and that is my goal. The more wet and deep the paint looks, the happier I am. I've never used a pure carnauba, but so fast in my limited exposure to products via auto zone, high tech yellow is the bomb. Now I'm buying at a legit detail supply shop so I'm willing to try other products if they can beat my beloved high tech wax for that crazy depth and wetness that I'm looking for.

[Jarhead0754]

What is nano coating compared to waxing? Is it like a rain x for paint?

[h_bomm]

Re: Ultimate Compound followed by Ultra Finishing 205.

I see people talk about polishing oils and pure polishing oils, are polishing oils a product that you buy? Like, I have the show car glaze, is that a pure polishing oil?

After doing the UC and 205, should I glaze prior to nano coating, or will that inhibit the bond?

What about residual polishing oils from the 205, will it prevent the nano coating from adhering?

Should I go back outside with it and rash to wash off any residual polishing oils and not glaze it, and then bring it in for the Second Skin 6 coating?

I'm also assuming that after I do the coating of SS6 I can wait a day and then go over top with high tech yellow? I normally use a sealant (FS UPP) and leave the paint sit overnight and then follow with high tech. That gives a really wet deep look and that is my goal. The more wet and deep the paint looks, the happier I am. I've never used a pure carnauba, but so fast in my limited exposure to products via auto zone, high tech yellow is the bomb. Now I'm buying at a legit detail supply shop so I'm willing to try other products if they can beat my beloved high tech wax for that crazy depth and wetness that I'm looking for.

I would shy away from using a polish before a nano coating. This should go without saying, but follow the manufacturers instructions. From what I can tell with nano coatings is that after your defect removal you want to do an IPA (isopropyl alcohol) wipe down to remove any residue so your coating will bond. Car Pro also makes a product called Car Pro Eraser that will do the same thing as IPA but its ready to use so you don't have to worry about mixing a solution yourself. After your coating has cured I don't see why you couldn't apply a polish and wax on top of it. Just make sure there are no abrasives in your polish otherwise you will prematurely wear out your coating. The #7 Show Car Glaze is a good choice. I have no experience with coatings however, so I hope I didn't mislead you at all. Just relaying what I've read. Good luck! Let us know how it turns out!

[The Guz]

Re: Ultimate Compound followed by Ultra Finishing 205.

No need to use M7 after polishing. The coating will not bond to the paint's surface. You have a few option an IPA wie to remove polishing oils, wash or the car pro eraser. Or if you have some detailers pro prep that will work as well. After applying the coating I would wait the 12 - 24 hours and if you want you can add M26 or whatever carnauba you like.

[larry0071]

Well, I didn't check back today and I went from the ultra polish to the second skin 6 without the isopropyl wipe. I wonder if the coating will fail. What should I do now, wait it out until spring and go over it with ultra polish again and then clean it off polish oils and re coat with second skin 6, or just ride it out and see what happens?
The car is in my heated garage at the moment doing its 12 hour cure. Tomorrow I'm going to cover it with UPP and let it cure until Monday after work and then hit it with high tech wax. That is my plan for the conclusion of this correction. Then I need to pull the one salvage yard replacement wheel and continue the horrible task of getting the nasty stuff from it. I've got a thread on just that one wheel that is killing me.

[larry0071]

What is nano coating compared to waxing? Is it like a rain x for paint?

Nano coating, if I understand it correctly, is more of an actual coating over the paint or clear coat. Call it a sacrificial layer that you apply. What I'm using is a bit controversial in that the industry is not secure in the definition of the term coating. A product like Opti Coat 2 is a coating for sure, it adds an entire new layer over the paint that takes the abuse in place of the actual paint. This Second Skin 6 is more of a super sealant. It's similar to the Meguiars ultimate wax but is designed to last 1 or more years with no other surface protection being added. OPTI Coat was designed from starting with clear coat paint and was engineered backwards to be a hand applied product. One way to define them is that a sealant can be chemically stripped where as a coating must be mechanically removed by abrasives.

Second Skin 6 is being called a coating by Chemical Guys, yet it adds no measurable thickness to the paint layers and can be chemically stripped. I am looking at it as a super sealant, and at my skill level, it is a great product for me. It is much easier to apply, similar to any other sealant. No threat of high spots or user induced anomalies like you have with Opti Coat 2. But, if it lasts for 1+ years alone, it will easily last longer with my periodical application of high tech wax over the intermediate layer of Ultimate Paint Protection. My goal is to have the paint protected from the nasty water spot stains from the local nuclear plant cooling towers and also to lock out the heavy salt/calcium damage that we get here in Western Pa.

I may dabble into true coatings at some point, but I'm a bit spooked of it just yet. The Chemical Guys Second Skin 6 is the right product for me at this time being that I am not a professional and I'm learning as I go here. This is hands down the most advanced protection that a person like me can use from the research I've done.

[larry0071]

This is were I am now. Ultimate Compound, ultra polish, and second skin 6. The paint is simply glowing! Note that I did not do the plastic bumpers front/rear yet.



Tomorrow I'll go over top with Ultimate Paint Protection and Monday will be Meguiars high tech wax in 2 coats for the happy ending. At that point, it will be as deep, wet, and protected as I can possibly get it. I expect it to look amazing and really super wet and deep. I'll do my maintenance following each wash with Meguiars ultimate quick wax to keep the outer surface super slick and sealed, thus protecting the 4 base layers with constant re application of the quick wax sealant.

This is the best I know of at my level.

[Jarhead0754]

Thank for the info Larry