Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

[Blueline]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

I don't really use UP that often personally, I use M205 as it's my go to product..

But the times I have used it it came off very easy for me..

When a user calls me with computer problems, it is usually their "finger" problem. So maybe I was having "finger" problems when I tried it. I am sure it wouldn't be on the market if it was such a pain to use. Maybe I will try it again some time.

[jankerson]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

When a user calls me with computer problems, it is usually their "finger" problem. So maybe I was having "finger" problems when I tried it. I am sure it wouldn't be on the market if it was such a pain to use. Maybe I will try it again some time.

Yeah MOST computer problems are between chair and the keyboard..... LOL

Got out of that field like 10 years ago.....

On the UP it's just something to try again and get used to it, just remember you don't need a lot of it on the pad for it to work and alittle goes a long way....

Just one of those things...

[armeliusc]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

So after a lot of thinking, I decided to give DA G110V2 a try. It should be arriving today and I look forward to try some tomorrow. The car has been sitting in the garage all week since I haven't really had a chance to do anything more and just had kind of gave up using elbow grease for compounding / polishing. I told my wife I should start detailing our friends' cars and ask for tips to pay for the DA.

On the UP, I did try not to let it dry, but it seemed to dry pretty fast and making it hard to remove. Maybe the DA would make it easier. Thanks again for everyones suggestions.

[Ghawk]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

That's how I sold the big chunk of cash required for a DA to myself. Don't worry, you'll make up that cash quick in one or two details of your friends cars! Have fun! The DA is going to make your car shine like never before.
Make sure you have enough pads before you start, for just your own car I would try and have at least 2-3 of each type of foam you need.

Griffith Hawk

[jankerson]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

So after a lot of thinking, I decided to give DA G110V2 a try. It should be arriving today and I look forward to try some tomorrow. The car has been sitting in the garage all week since I haven't really had a chance to do anything more and just had kind of gave up using elbow grease for compounding / polishing. I told my wife I should start detailing our friends' cars and ask for tips to pay for the DA.

On the UP, I did try not to let it dry, but it seemed to dry pretty fast and making it hard to remove. Maybe the DA would make it easier. Thanks again for everyones suggestions.

Sounds good.

Make sure you get like 3 or 4 polishing pads and 2 finishing pads to start out with as that should get you going.

If you need something more aggressive then the Microfiber Cutting pad or something like a LC foam Cutting pad (Cyan or Yellow) would be the options.

[armeliusc]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

Okay, I am sorry if this is a silly question, but why do I need multiple pads ?
Right now I just started with one polishing pad and one finishing pad. I figure I won't be able to do the whole car at once so maybe I'll start with three panels or so, then I can wash the pads and let it dry before continuing, How many panels for a small sedan like Civic before I have to wash the pads ?

Another question I am wondering, these pads are bigger than the impression I have from watching the videos. Can I do the pillars with this, or do I really need to have the 4" pads ? If I do the pillars with these, do I want to hit it with the center of the pads ?

Thanks all, you've all been very helpful.

[The Guz]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

It's always good to have more than 1 pad to swap in between so you can work on more of the car. I would recommend having 2 for compounding, 2 for polishing and 1 for waxing. I would also recommend a pad conditioning brush. It's best to start every panel with a clean pad and that's where the brush comes in.

[jankerson]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

It's always good to have more than 1 pad to swap in between so you can work on more of the car. I would recommend having 2 for compounding, 2 for polishing and 1 for waxing. I would also recommend a pad conditioning brush. It's best to start every panel with a clean pad and that's where the brush comes in.

It's good to have spares also, just in case something happens to the pad one is using.

Also if one pad gets too soaked with product it can be swapped out for a fresh pad and washed out later.

[Ghawk]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

I have just recently gone to smaller pads for small areas, but I survived for a very long time with out them. Just tape off the pillar real good, and be careful not to shred the pad. And to answer the pad question, we all take our cars a little too serious, if that's even possible, but if you do want to be budget safe you could do 3-4 panels a day and clean your pads after they get loaded up. Of course having one or two back ups is never a bad choice.

[jankerson]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

I have just recently gone to smaller pads for small areas, but I survived for a very long time with out them. Just tape off the pillar real good, and be careful not to shred the pad. And to answer the pad question, we all take our cars a little too serious, if that's even possible, but if you do want to be budget safe you could do 3-4 panels a day and clean your pads after they get loaded up. Of course having one or two back ups is never a bad choice.

The 4" pads are great and I believe are a must have, the yellow ones anyway.

Although I do have the black ones also.

[armeliusc]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

I have just recently gone to smaller pads for small areas, but I survived for a very long time with out them. Just tape off the pillar real good, and be careful not to shred the pad. And to answer the pad question, we all take our cars a little too serious, if that's even possible, but if you do want to be budget safe you could do 3-4 panels a day and clean your pads after they get loaded up. Of course having one or two back ups is never a bad choice.

Thanks Ghawk. I'll consider extra pads but since this is my first experience with DA and all, and to be budget conscious (the DA itself was not originally in my budget ), I don't want to go too gung-ho andd get multiple pads at once. I don't think I can do more than 3-4 panels a day, being inexperience as I am. I am thinking if I can effectively compound, polish, and wax 3-4 panels a day I'll be very content.

For the A-pillar and other smaller sections, do you mean tape off the non-painted parts to not get the Pad shredded ? I think beside the pillar is pretty smooth plastics.
Does the pad get shreded easily ? or what would shred the pads, other obvious things like emblem, etc ? I also worry because the hood has some nicks and chips due to rocks, etc (it's a pretty old daily driver car, afterall).

Maybe for the smaller sections I can also just use soft foam and elbow grease. Is it generally OK to go with straight motion, i.e. in the direction of the pillar, for the A-pillar if I do it by hand or do I have to rub with the usually recommended circular motion ?

Thanks for all the help
AC

[Ghawk]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

For the A-pillar and other smaller sections, do you mean tape off the non-painted parts to not get the Pad shredded ? I think beside the pillar is pretty smooth plastics.
Does the pad get shreded easily ? or what would shred the pads, other obvious things like emblem, etc ? I also worry because the hood has some nicks and chips due to rocks, etc (it's a pretty old daily driver car, after all).

The reason for the tape is to keep the polish, wax, and compound off of the plastic trim to prevent any staining. As far as shredding goes, every car is different. Mine has quite a sharp plastic edge next to the paint near the windshield, and if I run the pad over it by accident it will shoot bits of the pad all over the car. This is nothing to frighten you, just use common sense when polishing. (Sharp edges = Bad for soft foam pads ) Have fun, and if you have any more questions we are here to help!

Griffith Hawk

[Goldstar]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

Just used Ultimate Compound and Ultimate Polish today (after claying) and didn't have any issue taking off. Did this by hand as well. It was around 54 degrees here in the DC area. I'm a noob and am learning/practicing to see what compound/polish/wax variation works best for me.

Read various threads and was told that UC is as good as 105 and that 105/205 is more for the production side. True?

I've just been working UC/UP into paint with MF applicator pad and it begins to break down fairly quick and I wipe clean with MF towel. I'm using plenty of product. It is not removing noticeable scratches - even though they cannot be felt by fingernail. So I hope it's true that I need a DA to get them buffed out. Really can't afford to buy every polish under the sun to learn what works. Works great with very minor stuff and leaves a super silky feel. More silky when followed up by UP.

I followed that up with #7 Show Car glaze and even more so silkier. And then followed that with #26 High Tech Yellow.

Sun was at afternoon low angle but still daylight - not dark at all or even beginning to get dark. Didn't see a super significant difference other than a little bit darker/wetter when fully in the sun and at a slight angle. Will check tomorrow while sun is high in the sky. However, like I said before, it was crazy super silky to the touch.

Do yall think the UC/UP/#7 show car glaze/#26 high tech yellow is a good combo to make cars pop?

If I get the DA should I change over to 105/205/#7/#26 combo?

I ask because I heard all these great things about #7 and I'm not seeing it. Mind you, it's my 1st project.

oh! - Although my car was repainted approximately 5-6 years ago, it is a 1993 Chevy K1500 used as a work truck and this was my first project. I am getting into Detailing industry and trying to learn all I can and perfect the craft. Appreciate everyone here taking the time to help us noobs out!

Almost forgot - Would I have better success with UC/UP if I bought and used the applicator pads that have cut and finishing abilities (i.e., Hex Logic orange/white/black hand applicator pads)?

Do you think this would help in just time/effort or also on the actual finish like with the scratches?

Do you think these pads can be used for actual paint correction with UC/UP or do I need something more aggressive compound-wise? (understood regarding a machine as best but until my efforts buy one...)

[Murr1525]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

105 may be intended for fresh paint, but can always work if needed. UC is just a step milder, and usually easier for DA use.

I always like foam pads for applying. maybe if you can catch a video online to see how it looks, make sure it is going like you think.

the #7 is a bit optional, but if you like it. the 205 or UP is similar though, so may not change much after.

UC/up is fine with a da too, esp to try first. or uc/205.

[jankerson]

Re: Ultimate Products (Compound, Polish, Wax) or M20 for Older Black Car

Just used Ultimate Compound and Ultimate Polish today (after claying) and didn't have any issue taking off. Did this by hand as well. It was around 54 degrees here in the DC area. I'm a noob and am learning/practicing to see what compound/polish/wax variation works best for me.

Read various threads and was told that UC is as good as 105 and that 105/205 is more for the production side. True?

I've just been working UC/UP into paint with MF applicator pad and it begins to break down fairly quick and I wipe clean with MF towel. I'm using plenty of product. It is not removing noticeable scratches - even though they cannot be felt by fingernail. So I hope it's true that I need a DA to get them buffed out. Really can't afford to buy every polish under the sun to learn what works. Works great with very minor stuff and leaves a super silky feel. More silky when followed up by UP.

I followed that up with #7 Show Car glaze and even more so silkier. And then followed that with #26 High Tech Yellow.

Sun was at afternoon low angle but still daylight - not dark at all or even beginning to get dark. Didn't see a super significant difference other than a little bit darker/wetter when fully in the sun and at a slight angle. Will check tomorrow while sun is high in the sky. However, like I said before, it was crazy super silky to the touch.

Do yall think the UC/UP/#7 show car glaze/#26 high tech yellow is a good combo to make cars pop?

If I get the DA should I change over to 105/205/#7/#26 combo?

I ask because I heard all these great things about #7 and I'm not seeing it. Mind you, it's my 1st project.

oh! - Although my car was repainted approximately 5-6 years ago, it is a 1993 Chevy K1500 used as a work truck and this was my first project. I am getting into Detailing industry and trying to learn all I can and perfect the craft. Appreciate everyone here taking the time to help us noobs out!

Almost forgot - Would I have better success with UC/UP if I bought and used the applicator pads that have cut and finishing abilities (i.e., Hex Logic orange/white/black hand applicator pads)?

Do you think this would help in just time/effort or also on the actual finish like with the scratches?

Do you think these pads can be used for actual paint correction with UC/UP or do I need something more aggressive compound-wise? (understood regarding a machine as best but until my efforts buy one...)

You wouldn't have to change after you get a DA Polisher, UC and UP are fine.

M105 is a lot more aggressive than UC as M205 is more aggressive than UP from my own experiences.

To remove the scratches a DA polisher would be better than doing it by hand.