UQD after black wax?

[mwl5apv]

Hey all, I finally managed to devote a day to detail my 04 trailblazer. Weather was perfect, partly cloudy, 74*F with a slight breeze.

Anyway I spent over 10hours today cleaning my pride n joy up.....washed, clayed the entire truck, took care of small scratches and swirl marks with ultimate compound, laid a coat of black wax, then finished everything up with a thin coat of ultimate quick detail.


My question is, did applying a coat of ultimate quick detail over the black wax hurt anything? Or change anything?

[Murr1525]

Re: UQD after black wax?

Probably not, though some people feel letting the first coat set up before applying the next gives better looks.

[mwl5apv]

Re: UQD after black wax?

Oh, Ok.
See when I put the ultimate Quick Detailer on as the final coat, I thought it looked as though it lost some of the depth in the color and looked a tad more "wet" At first, I thought it was just me, but then I began to think I removed the wax(or at least the polishing oils in BW) with the UQD.

now when you say some people let the first coat set, how long of a period of time are we speaking?

[jarred767]

24 hrs is always best if possible to keep it out if the elements or washed. Overnight should be fine too though.

[mwl5apv]

Re: UQD after black wax?

awesome, thanks for the replies. I'll make sure to let the wax sit for 12hrs or so before applying anything else to it .

[mis3]

Re: UQD after black wax?

I myself no longer apply the 2nd coat. My understanding of the 2nd coat is to ensure coverage and not shine nor protection.
Since I wax often, even if I miss one area this time, it will be covered at the next wax.

[C8N]

Re: UQD after black wax?

My understanding of UQD is that it is to clean up light dusting and etc.
Altho UQD has polymers I think the correct product to use in this case is UQW.
It is recommended to allow the black wax to cure for 12hrs before applying UQW or UQD.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: UQD after black wax?

As C8N points out, quick detail sprays are designed to allow for the safe removal of light dust, fingerprint smudges, etc without scratching the paint. There is rarely anything to gain from applying a quick detail spray immediately after applying a proper wax unless you're just trying to remove some light residual dust from your polishing/waxing process. But it is extremely rare these days to see a wax creating any dust, making use of a quick detailer even less common right after waxing.

While Black Wax is primarily a carnauba based product, it does have some polymers in it (good luck finding any carnauba wax that doesn't have at least some level of some sort of polymer these days) and those should be allowed to fully cure for at least 12 hours prior to applying anything on top. Further, since Black Wax (and White Wax) is a cleaner wax, applying a second coat isn't going to gain you anything since the cleaners will effectively remove the first application while laying down the second. There really is no need to apply anything over these two products, or any other wax or sealant for that matter, at least until your first wash. At that time you can apply a spray wax to help boost the shine and extend your wax protection if you wish, but even that isn't really necessary. But, as detailing enthusiasts, we can't help but do something, right? Because of that pervasive attitude, you might want to try applying either Gold Class Quik Wax or Ultimate Quik Wax during your drying process at the next wash. It's a great way to add some additional protection, darkening and gloss while drying the car.

[mwl5apv]

Re: UQD after black wax?

As C8N points out, quick detail sprays are designed to allow for the safe removal of light dust, fingerprint smudges, etc without scratching the paint. There is rarely anything to gain from applying a quick detail spray immediately after applying a proper wax unless you're just trying to remove some light residual dust from your polishing/waxing process. But it is extremely rare these days to see a wax creating any dust, making use of a quick detailer even less common right after waxing.

While Black Wax is primarily a carnauba based product, it does have some polymers in it (good luck finding any carnauba wax that doesn't have at least some level of some sort of polymer these days) and those should be allowed to fully cure for at least 12 hours prior to applying anything on top. Further, since Black Wax (and White Wax) is a cleaner wax, applying a second coat isn't going to gain you anything since the cleaners will effectively remove the first application while laying down the second. There really is no need to apply anything over these two products, or any other wax or sealant for that matter, at least until your first wash. At that time you can apply a spray wax to help boost the shine and extend your wax protection if you wish, but even that isn't really necessary. But, as detailing enthusiasts, we can't help but do something, right? Because of that pervasive attitude, you might want to try applying either Gold Class Quik Wax or Ultimate Quik Wax during your drying process at the next wash. It's a great way to add some additional protection, darkening and gloss while drying the car.

now what exactly is the difference between then UQD and UQW? other than one is wax based and the other is not. will they differ in protection or how they darken/gloss up the paint? And is the UQD still good to use while drying after a wash? or would I apply after the car is dry?

I really loved the depth the black wax gave me right after application. It really made the metallic pop like no other.
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I went ahead and also used a bit of UC on my passenger headlight which had a very small amount of oxidation in the corner. UC is like magic in a bottle! got rid of all that crud in just a few short passes(like 30 seconds) with a terry cotton application pad.

[davey g-force]

Re: UQD after black wax?

UQD is generally used to clean up light dust / fingerprints etc off a slightly dirty car. It also has some polymers that will boost wax protection somewhat.
UQW is used on a clean (just washed) car either after drying or whilst drying to boost your wax protection.

Both are very easy to use and add some depth and gloss to the paint. UQW will last longer IME.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: UQD after black wax?

now what exactly is the difference between then UQD and UQW? other than one is wax based and the other is not. will they differ in protection or how they darken/gloss up the paint? And is the UQD still good to use while drying after a wash? or would I apply after the car is dry?

UQD is generally used to clean up light dust / fingerprints etc off a slightly dirty car. It also has some polymers that will boost wax protection somewhat.
UQW is used on a clean (just washed) car either after drying or whilst drying to boost your wax protection.

Both are very easy to use and add some depth and gloss to the paint. UQW will last longer IME.

Davey pretty well summed it up, but we'd like to expand on his response just a bit if we may.

Ultimate Quik Detailer is just that, a quick detailer. Quick detailers are designed just to give lubricity to the surface so that you can safely wipe away light dust and fingerprint smudges without scratching the paint. They are meant to be used on lightly dusty vehicles, like after a day or two of exposure to typical dust and fallout, and let you safely remove that fallout and dust. They are not robust enough to clean a car after it's been driven in the rain for an extended period as they don't offer any sort of real encapsulation technology like a waterless wash does (Ultimate Wash & Wax Anywhere, for example). Ultimate Quik Detailer takes this a step further by including some hydrophobic polymers that really enhance water beading, but the durability is quite minimal. But that's because it's a maintenance product and not a protection product - it's meant to be used on a regular basis and it's not uncommon for people to do a daily wipe down on their car with this sort of product to keep it looking good all the time (I'm one of those, by the way!).

Ultimate Quik Wax is a spray wax and should be used on a clean surface, not to remove light dust. If you're looking for something to use when drying the car that will actually some durable polymers to the finish, enhance gloss and provide the hydrophobic polymers that promote water beading so well, this is the product to go with (or Gold Class Quik Wax, if you prefer). This is something that can be used at every wash, either while drying or just after drying.

[mis3]

Re: UQD after black wax?

UQD is generally used to clean up light dust / fingerprints etc off a slightly dirty car. It also has some polymers that will boost wax protection somewhat.
UQW is used on a clean (just washed) car either after drying or whilst drying to boost your wax protection.

Both are very easy to use and add some depth and gloss to the paint. UQW will last longer IME.

I bought 2 bottles of UQD a few years ago but only one bottle is slightly used. I will probably not buy again.

I use a Cali Duster to clean up light dust. Also, I keep a bottle of water in my trunk (not in winter) in case of bird poops.

I do use UQW a lot, almost after every wash. Also, sometimes I apply UQW after dusting (without washing, probaly not a good practice).

[mwl5apv]

Re: UQD after black wax?

Davey pretty well summed it up, but we'd like to expand on his response just a bit if we may.

Ultimate Quik Detailer is just that, a quick detailer. Quick detailers are designed just to give lubricity to the surface so that you can safely wipe away light dust and fingerprint smudges without scratching the paint. They are meant to be used on lightly dusty vehicles, like after a day or two of exposure to typical dust and fallout, and let you safely remove that fallout and dust. They are not robust enough to clean a car after it's been driven in the rain for an extended period as they don't offer any sort of real encapsulation technology like a waterless wash does (Ultimate Wash & Wax Anywhere, for example). Ultimate Quik Detailer takes this a step further by including some hydrophobic polymers that really enhance water beading, but the durability is quite minimal. But that's because it's a maintenance product and not a protection product - it's meant to be used on a regular basis and it's not uncommon for people to do a daily wipe down on their car with this sort of product to keep it looking good all the time (I'm one of those, by the way!).

Ultimate Quik Wax is a spray wax and should be used on a clean surface, not to remove light dust. If you're looking for something to use when drying the car that will actually some durable polymers to the finish, enhance gloss and provide the hydrophobic polymers that promote water beading so well, this is the product to go with (or Gold Class Quik Wax, if you prefer). This is something that can be used at every wash, either while drying or just after drying.

Now, If I were to wash the car and apply something like UQW or the Gold glass quick wax while drying...will that effect application of a regular wax after the car is dry? I typically wash my car once every other week, and apply a wax(mainly liquid for the ease of use) every 2-3 washes.

I do however use a quick detailer at least once or twice a week to rid of light dust and fingerprints between washed.

[LS1BERLINA]

Re: UQD after black wax?

If you were using a proper wax after a wash you would skip the UQW