White Wax

[Don Porter]

I am interested in this white wax. First let me explain my detailing methods. Wash vehicle, dry then clay, scratch/swirl removal (M105/M205), polish (Menzerna 2500/4500, seal (BFWD) then top with wax. My question is, would the white wax eliminate any of this process or not be a good topper at the end of the process?

[Detailing by M]

Re: White Was

Welcome to MOL!!!!

White Wax is a strong cleaner wax that will polish a bit, not as much as 205 but close.

You can eliminate the polishing and the topping.
Topping is a waste of time and money.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: White Was

It really all depends on what you're trying to accomplish. White Wax (as well as Black Wax) were really developed for those people looking to obtain a very nice finish with minimal work. The real benefit to White Wax is the SMAT abrasive set it contains and therefore its ability to deep clean the paint and restore a bright, vibrant color to neglected lighter colors. If you're machine polishing with the steps you described, no all-in-one type product will get you the same results - period. Even as a topper over your BFWD White Wax is a poor choice. Those SMAT abrasives will certainly compromise that BFWD application, and there's just no sense in doing that. If you're going to top a synthetic with a carnauba you really need to stick with a non-cleaning carnauba, like Gold Class, M26, or similar.

Now, if you're doing this for money and you've got a customer who is only willing to pay for a one step process, then White Wax applied with a foam polishing pad via DA is pretty fantastic stuff. We've been able to easily remove the vast majority of swirls using this process. No, it won't make the paint perfect, but that's not what it's designed to do.

[Murr1525]

Re: White Was

I have always been a fan of something like:

1. Wash
2. Clay if needed
3. cleaner/wax - ColorX, White Wax, etc
4. Wax

for a quick detail that covers all the steps.

Is it going to be as perfect as doing all steps individually, probably not. But for just a quick detail, it gets pretty close.

[Don Porter]

Re: White Was

It really all depends on what you're trying to accomplish. White Wax (as well as Black Wax) were really developed for those people looking to obtain a very nice finish with minimal work. The real benefit to White Wax is the SMAT abrasive set it contains and therefore its ability to deep clean the paint and restore a bright, vibrant color to neglected lighter colors. If you're machine polishing with the steps you described, no all-in-one type product will get you the same results - period. Even as a topper over your BFWD White Wax is a poor choice. Those SMAT abrasives will certainly compromise that BFWD application, and there's just no sense in doing that. If you're going to top a synthetic with a carnauba you really need to stick with a non-cleaning carnauba, like Gold Class, M26, or similar.

Now, if you're doing this for money and you've got a customer who is only willing to pay for a one step process, then White Wax applied with a foam polishing pad via DA is pretty fantastic stuff. We've been able to easily remove the vast majority of swirls using this process. No, it won't make the paint perfect, but that's not what it's designed to do.

Thanks Mike and everyone else who responded. I will be trying out the White & Black wax (not was) in the near future. As far as my vehicles go, and a few select others I do, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. Definitely will be leaning closer to a one-step after seeing results since many of the vehicles I do are DD's and not taken care of very well. I spend 2-3 days on them just to see them go through car washes or driving through the brush in the hills.

[groundskeeper willie]

Re: White Was

Now, if you're doing this for money and you've got a customer who is only willing to pay for a one step process, then White Wax applied with a foam polishing pad via DA is pretty fantastic stuff. We've been able to easily remove the vast majority of swirls using this process. No, it won't make the paint perfect, but that's not what it's designed to do.

is the white wax REMOVING the swirls, or filling/hiding like a glaze?

[Murr1525]

Re: White Wax

Anything with polishing oils and wax can act to fill in, which a cleaner/wax would have.

The White Wax does have abrasive properties so that it can remove swirls if it is worked in properly, and the swirls aren't too extreme, paint is workable, etc.