Ultimate Detailer - Petroleum Based?

[Blueline]

I used Ultimate Detailer (UD) last weekend to dust off my newly waxed (M16) black beauty. Wonderful product UD. UD but in 10 minutes or less, according to the label? Nada. You are a hack if you do it in ten minutes. So, my question is: Is this stuff petroleum based? The reason I ask is that we have not had any rain, or the car was garaged if we did, and today we had a downpour and I drove about one mile to the post office in the rain (just for fun) and came home and parked the car in the garage. I popped the hood and trunk to let the beading run off. UD claims to have excellent beading, and perhaps it does...but I think it was the M16 that did all the work. Anyway I digress. Tonight I went out to the garage and the whole car looks dull. It is dry, but dull, no shine, looks like a petroleum scum. . EEK pull my hair. What Have I done? Well, as I did a little test spot, the **** washes off. Underneath M16 still sparkles. Ok, the Queen is okay. I will wash her lovely body tomorrow. I have done the same trip many times, a lot further, in the rain, without UD, and when the car dries, it has some dirt spots along the side, but it still shines. I like this UD stuff for dust. The car looked great after, but.......... What is this petroleum fog on my car?

[wifpd4]

Re: Ultimate Detailer - Petroleum Based?

I'm on my phone so I don't have the link, but the MSDS is available some where on the main Meguiar's web site.

[BillE]

Re: Ultimate Detailer - Petroleum Based?

No reference to petroleum on the MSDS.

Thinking out loud...I do believe that it is a 'synthetic' (like the rest of the Ultimate line) and laying this on top of carnauba could be the problem. Whereas, when people 'layer' it's synthetic then carnanuba.

Bill

[Blueline]

Re: Ultimate Detailer - Petroleum Based?

No reference to petroleum on the MSDS.

Thinking out loud...I do believe that it is a 'synthetic' (like the rest of the Ultimate line) and laying this on top of carnauba could be the problem. Whereas, when people 'layer' it's synthetic then carnanuba.

Bill

Yes, good point. I wonder if putting a synthetic over carnauba could be the problem? You would think Meguiars would have tested this. Anyway, washed the car today, and the dull film, came off no problem. The car gleams again. Maybe the UD is more "sticky" and picked up more grime? I don't know. It is great for a quick detail (again, not in 10 minutes like the bottle says) So no big deal, I will use it again, but will expect to have to remove more dull grime than usual after a rain. I usually wash the car after a rain anyway.

[BillE]

Re: Ultimate Detailer - Petroleum Based?

Glad 'it' came off.

I've only used the Ult Detail once or twice, and can't/don't remember any problems. It's just too %$#^ dusty around here to use ANY detailer very often.

Bill

[Detailing by M]

Re: Ultimate Detailer - Petroleum Based?

well it's not petroleum based.
the beading effect is due to it Hydrophobic properties, a trade secret.

The haze after driving in the rain? Dirt? Crud? but not UD.
the reference to the 10 min thing is possible when doing one section at a time and not the whole car. But I'm not exactly sure what your talking about. Your post is not to clear on your exact problem so please clarify. Your kinda rattling on.
all Meg's products work with each other, if they didn't then the Meg's line would be around.

[davey g-force]

Re: Ultimate Detailer - Petroleum Based?

Hmm strange phenomenon Blueline!

It wouldn't be the UD (do you mean UQD?) though. Use it again and see what happens next time after it rains. Could have just been something on the roads this time.

I know what you mean about the 10 minute thing too. I could never QD a whole car in 10 minutes. Or should I say a car that I care about (my car).

[wifpd4]

Re: Ultimate Detailer - Petroleum Based?

Blue, I've gone through several bottles of Ultimate Quik Detailer and have not had this problem, as you describe it. Dust, pollen, mixed with frequent rain looks terrible, but nothing I would call a petroleum scum. I can't imagine your garage queen would have the contaminations my daily driver does.

This must be frustrating for you.

[Blueline]

Re: Ultimate Detailer - Petroleum Based?

But I'm not exactly sure what your talking about. Your post is not to clear on your exact problem so please clarify. Your kinda rattling on.

Not clear? Rattling along? Seems the others that replied knew exactly what I was asking. Next time I have a question, I will ensure it is in plain language for those with comprehension difficulties.

[Blueline]

Re: Ultimate Detailer - Petroleum Based?

Hmm strange phenomenon Blueline!

It wouldn't be the UD (do you mean UQD?) though. Use it again and see what happens next time after it rains. Could have just been something on the roads this time.

I know what you mean about the 10 minute thing too. I could never QD a whole car in 10 minutes. Or should I say a car that I care about (my car).

It might have been something on the roads. We live out in the country (paved roads) and perhaps one of the farmers drove by with powdered fertilizer or something. Never happened before and probably just a coincidence. As I said, not a big deal, it washed off. Just odd though, just after the the UD application.

As for the 10 minute thing, you hit the nail on the head. It cannot be done in 10 minutes, section by section (which I did) or whole car, IF, it is a car one cares about.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Ultimate Detailer - Petroleum Based?

Is this the first time you've used UQD or just the first time this issue came up? As as already been determined, UQD (and every other mist and wipe detailer and wax in our line, for that matter) is water based. It is highly unusual to see any sort of film when using this or any other QD, but sometimes very strange and unexplained things do happen. Case in point: we have a local forum member with a black Toyota Camry Hybrid that he keeps at an extremely high level. He came to a TNOG session complaining of a film on his car and upon inspection, this film was thick enough that you could run your fingers through it and leave a trail behind. But 10 minutes the trail was gone, as if the fog had moved back to fill the area. We had never seen this from a QD before, regardless of the wax used beneath it. In this case, for the record, the wax was NXT Tech Wax 2.0. The Camry owner was using UQD. So we had him try NXT Speed Detailer - same problem. Regular old QD in the burgundy bottle - same problem. Last Touch, either straight or diluted 1:1 - same problem. Finally, M34 Final Inspection did the trick and no more fog. Now, keep in mind that all of our company vehicles are non metallic black, so we have a bit of experience working on this color, and with every product combination you can think of. We had never seen this phenomenon before, nor since. Personally, I use UQD almost daily on my daily driver and I've never seen this sort of issue, regardless of the wax on the car, including M16.

We could go on and on about weird, one off strange behaviors we've seen when detailing cars, but you get the point. So, again, just to double check - fist time use of UQD for you, or first time with this weird issue?

[Detailing by M]

But I'm not exactly sure what your talking about. Your post is not to clear on your exact problem so please clarify. Your kinda rattling on.

Not clear? Rattling along? Seems the others that replied knew exactly what I was asking. Next time I have a question, I will ensure it is in plain language for those with comprehension difficulties.

Nice. Thanks for the insult.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Ultimate Detailer - Petroleum Based?

Blueline, Mario..... back off you two.

Blueline, if Mario wasn't clear on the intent of your post there's no need to insult him -he's trying to help. And you really don't need to repeatedly claim that anyone who is able to properly QD a car in under 10 minutes is a hack. That's simply not true as we know plenty of individuals who regularly accomplish this. Of course, they tend to work on a lot of cars and have nailed their workflow and processes.