M105 working time and suggestions?

[Show 'N' Shine Car Detailing]

Has M105 always had a short working time?

When I used it on the MF pad it was dry real fast and I had to use GQ to get all of it off.

Any good technique to use to allow it to work longer or suggestions on how slow, fast I should have arm speed, including what speed to use the DA polisher on?

I've got my 98 GMC Yukon correction this weekend. I'll more than likely use the D300 on the MF pad but even the M105 with work faster to cut, I'd rather use it, but I don't want to have to grab QD everytime because it dried on me.

Thank you for any ideas!!

[davey g-force]

Re: M105 working time and suggestions?

There has been much written about improving M105's working time and dusting issues. The most popular and respected method is the Kevin Brown Method, or KBM (do a search for it).

Others say they have had success by spritzing the pad/paint with water, QD, even mineral oil (which KB actually does not reccommend).

I'd say try the KBM first and see how you go.

[Detail Werks]

Its been my experience when using water with M 105 it is more for increasing its cutting ability and better pad cleaning then for increasing cycling time water does not make a great lubricant.

[Selectchoice]

Re: M105 working time and suggestions?

Has M105 always had a short working time?

When I used it on the MF pad it was dry real fast and I had to use GQ to get all of it off.

M105 does have a much shorter working time than, for example UC. It shouldn't be difficult to remove though.

I use it in preference to UC because it gives me a result very quickly. In my personal experience with UC the results are a little slower than with M105 (not by huge amounts), but it seems like with UC I'm either buffing longer for a similar result, or wiping a lot of remaining product off after correcting the defects to see my results. UC seems more 'oily' than M105, and my preference is for a less oily, 'drier product' if that makes sense...

I have though seen M105 dry out and become a real pain to remove like you've mentioned when used on very dry paints that have been neglected. When this happens I would use a product to add some of the oils back into the paint before resuming with M105, or switch to a product like UC that will allow a more lubricated, longer buffing cycle.

I haven't used the MF Correction Compound so I can't say how it compares to M105, but if your client's car is a drier paint, M105 could, and I stress could, dry out like you've seen.

A test spot will be your best guide.

[Wheelzntoys]

Re: M105 working time and suggestions?

http://youtu.be/tyClLWxoCf4

for 2nd step, use M205

[davey g-force]

Re: M105 working time and suggestions?

^^ That's a new one! (to me anyway)

There are so many different techniques that work for different people...

Thanks for sharing.

[Meticulous-Detail]

I have also read of using baby oil with M105 to extend its working time and ease of removal.

The pad switching technique is new one. Not exactly a time saver if your pressed for time

[Show 'N' Shine Car Detailing]

Re: M105 working time and suggestions?

I really don't care for the pad switching technique. I don't like the idea of mixing compound into a finish pad. Not to say it doesn't do it's job, just not something I'd mess with. But thank you for the video.

I'm looking to do this Yukon under 14 hours for the paint correction only. I have the entire full detail outside to do besides just the paint correction. Luckily I already did the interior last week. Some of you may have seen the horrible interior I "attempted" to clean. So yeah that same vehicle, lol.

Since he's dropping it off this evening, I may do the wheel wells, wheels, tires, headlight correction, front end (grill and bumper), rear bumper and full clay. I'll do some test spotting with the D300 and M105 and see which gets me the best results in a shorter time. Then I will be ready Saturday morning to hit it full on.

[wifpd4]

Re: M105 working time and suggestions?

i met Ivan Rajic in Chicago and he described this mixture. I use a variation of priming a microfiber pad with D300 and then adding M105. Again probably not my idea, stolen from someone else.

From Mr. Rajic's blog on Detailed Image

So what is 307.5 WGCI? It’s a fake, joke of a name given to a mix of Meguiar’s 105 Ultra-Cut and D300 Correction compounds. The name came about after I did some non-sense calculations with the numbers 105 and 300. Then, after repeating it a few times, my helper at the time realized it sounded a lot like an introduction to a local radio station, WGCI, so Meg’s, or just M, “307.5 WGCI” stuck .

Aside from all the nonsense, it was made by mixing 1 part D300 with 3 parts M105 in order to make a pretty aggressive combo while cutting down on the dusting from M105. I have kept it around as it did exactly what I hoped for and it has become one of my favorite products to use when doing a 2-3 step polishing job on some medium-hard paints. Paired with a Lake Country Orange Cutting Pad, this polish combo can do some pretty serious correction and leave behind a nice finish, which can be finished down with two or less steps.