Rolls Royce paint swirls and rids..

[Blacktie Detailing]

I am not having much success using the DAMF system on a 2005 Dark Blue Rolls. The DAMF system improved the paint but not as much as I would like it to. D300,D301 were the steps.

Any suggestions would be great.

THanks
jeff

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Rolls Royce paint swirls and rids..

The DAMF System generally offers a ton of cut and tends to really like hard paint, so it should return excellent results on this car. You really need to be using the correct sized pads depending on the tool you're using - 5" on a traditional DA like our G110v2, Porter Cable, Griot's, etc and our W67DA backing plate. The tool should be running at speed 4 (4800 opm), you should be using moderate to heavy pressure, and moving the pad very slowly across the paint in an area no larger than 2' x 2'. Keeping the pad flat so as to maintain some spin is critical, as is that small work area and slow movements. It is also critical to not overuse product - prime the pad to start, then just 3 pea sized drops of D300 for each section you buff, and the pads must be cleaned between each section. Compressed air works best for this, but a pad brush is an excellent alternative.

If you're using a Flex 3401 then the 6" pads should be used, with similar speed setting on the tool and everything else noted above followed very closely.

If none of that gets it for you, try priming the pad with D300 and then using M105 from there on in, keeping in mind all of the above usage recommendations even with the change in compound.

A common mistake people make when moving to D301 Finishing Wax is to continue with the heavy pressure and slow movements. In reality, just light pressure and quite fast movement is what's recommended, and you should be able to cover the vehicle in D301 in just a few minutes.

[smack]

Re: Rolls Royce paint swirls and rids..

Just like Mike said. This system loves hard paint and will correct it with ease. This system will take care of hard Corvette paint.

What is your process?

[s word]

Re: Rolls Royce paint swirls and rids..

In no way do I suggest you take on this process. But DAMF would not like my paint either. I could work an area for general improvement but the final product wasn't top notch. This past weekend I made one or two of the pea sized drops M105 instead of D300 and the combo made for great results, for my paint. But I only stepped in this direction after trying exactly what Mike mentions above many many many times with no success. My car is also not a Rolls!

Also, it is very very important to keep to the product amounts and cleaning instructions Mike mentions. Some of my success before stepping to the product combo above came from using less product rather than more. That was an important step in my increase in performance.

[Detailing by M]

Re: Rolls Royce paint swirls and rids..

^^^^ why would you tell him not to do it?
This forum is here to help and guide people on how to detail, not how not to detail.
Just because one of Meg's products didn't work for you don't go telling people not to use it.
the mf system works great.
you have to try different products, techniques, pads and other factors.
Megs has a verity of products for you. if your having problems getting results contact a detailer to show you exactly what you need to do.
and by all means you can do this yourself and shouldn't have any problems
Smack is in Vegas, maybe go see him.

[Selectchoice]

Re: Rolls Royce paint swirls and rids..

^^^^ why would you tell him not to do it?
This forum is here to help and guide people on how to detail, not how not to detail.
Just because one of Meg's products didn't work for you don't go telling people not to use it.
the mf system works great.
you have to try different products, techniques, pads and other factors.

I think s word meant that he wasn't advocating someone try using the system outside it's recommended parameters, and then blame him if something went wrong.

If you read the whole of the post, s word mentions using M105 on the pads, which is outside of the intended original design parameters of the MF system.

He did use different products as you suggested, and with good results it seems.

And telling people how not to detail, can save people heartache in some circumstances, ie incorrect use of products/tools.

[Detailing by M]

Re: Rolls Royce paint swirls and rids..

In no way do I suggest you take on this process

so what is this in referance too?
and you can use 105 with the mf system with no problem, I and lot's of others do.

[Selectchoice]

Re: Rolls Royce paint swirls and rids..

so what is this in referance too?
and you can use 105 with the mf system with no problem, I and lot's of others do.

In my post I was making the point that s word probably didn't use the best phrase to be as clear in meaning as possible, but what he meant was he wasn't advocating someone try using the system outside it's recommended parameters, and then blame him if something went wrong.

In his post, s word also said he used M105 with the MF system and had experienced good results. I don't doubt that different products work in different parameters. Not always, but sometimes.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Rolls Royce paint swirls and rids..

In my post I was making the point that s word probably didn't use the best phrase to be as clear in meaning as possible, but what he meant was he wasn't advocating someone try using the system outside it's recommended parameters, and then blame him if something went wrong.

In his post, s word also said he used M105 with the MF system and had experienced good results. I don't doubt that different products work in different parameters. Not always, but sometimes.

Yes, this is how we understood the post, too.

We haven't heard back from Blacktie Detailing on his progress with the Rolls, or whether his technique just needed a bit of tweaking. It doesn't matter how much experience you have using a DA, the DAMF system does require a bit of an adjustment in technique no matter what paint you're working on. But the same can be said for differences in technique often needed when using different products or just when going from one car to another with the same products.