Can Endurance High Gloss cause a tire slip from the rim?

[ktlimq]

Months before I started using Meguiars Endurance High Gloss, I checked road force balance of 4 wheels. There were all within spec.

A couple of weeks ago, vibration increased a little. So I checked road force balance again. The tech found one wheel out of spec. So he removed the tire from the wheel, and re-matched the tire position with respect to the rim.

Can Meguiars Endurance High Gloss cause a tire slip with respect to the rim?

At the first use, I applied quite large amount of the product on the tire. So it might have flowed and penetrated to the contact area between rim and tire.

[gb387]

Re: Can Endurance High Gloss cause a tire slip from the rim?

Originally posted by ktlimq
Months before I started using Meguiars Endurance High Gloss, I checked road force balance of 4 wheels. There were all within spec.

A couple of weeks ago, vibration increased a little. So I checked road force balance again. The tech found one wheel out of spec. So he removed the tire from the wheel, and re-matched the tire position with respect to the rim.

Can Meguiars Endurance High Gloss cause a tire slip with respect to the rim?

At the first use, I applied quite large amount of the product on the tire. So it might have flowed and penetrated to the contact area between rim and tire.

Just my thought... If air can not get out nothing can get in. Also the centrifugal force of the wheel turning would pull product away from the rim. Just my opinion. I am sure other will chime in.

[ktlimq]

That sounds reasonable.

I check the pressure every other week to keep it close the the car manufacturer's recommended value, and I have not experienced abnormal pressure loss with the tires I have now.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Can Endurance High Gloss cause a tire slip from the rim?

Originally posted by ktlimq
Can Meguiars Endurance High Gloss cause a tire slip with respect to the rim?

No.

[placid warrior]

hitting potholes and turning sharp corners too fast will cause the wheels to change their balance (or worse). Either that or its some other mechanical part such as a balljoint or something. I used to work at a tire shop and sometimes a worker thats new or something does a bad job balancing, sometimes using the wrong weights and over a short period of time they fall off.

[99GrandTouring]

Well I"m by no means an expert however I just graduated from Wyotech and we thoroughly covered this subject.

A wheel can slip on the bead, no matter dry or lubricated.
Running to low of an air pressure can cause it, chrome wheels where the bead seats are chrome can cause it. Hard acceleration can cause it. Everywheel will slip on the rim some more than others, the only way to stop it is to use bead locks like drag racers or rock crawlers use.

if you want to test it out, mark the tire / rim and drive for a week or so and see if it walks, I'm sure that if you coated both sides of the rim and soaked the tire where it meets the rim its possible it could get in there and cause a slippage however it would take alot of product and I mean ALOT coated all the way around the rim.

Just remember tire pressure is partly holding the bead against the rim (tire design and elasticity of the bead is holding as well) its that total force of friction that keeps the tire in the bead channel. If you get a good amount of tire dressing on the outside area of that bead (where there is no air pressure) then the amount of total friction goes down and could cause a slip.

just my .02cents

[gb387]

Originally posted by 99GrandTouring
Well I"m by no means an expert however I just graduated from Wyotech and we thoroughly covered this subject.

A wheel can slip on the bead, no matter dry or lubricated.
Running to low of an air pressure can cause it, chrome wheels where the bead seats are chrome can cause it. Hard acceleration can cause it. Everywheel will slip on the rim some more than others, the only way to stop it is to use bead locks like drag racers or rock crawlers use.

if you want to test it out, mark the tire / rim and drive for a week or so and see if it walks, I'm sure that if you coated both sides of the rim and soaked the tire where it meets the rim its possible it could get in there and cause a slippage however it would take alot of product and I mean ALOT coated all the way around the rim.

Just remember tire pressure is partly holding the bead against the rim (tire design and elasticity of the bead is holding as well) its that total force of friction that keeps the tire in the bead channel. If you get a good amount of tire dressing on the outside area of that bead (where there is no air pressure) then the amount of total friction goes down and could cause a slip.

just my .02cents

Hummm... I learned something, Thanks

[Aurora40]

Since a roadforce balance measures a deformed wheel under load, I'd think it's quite possible that the wearing of a tire will change how they should be matched up as well. The tire won't wear uniformly, and the construction isn't uniform, which is why a roadforce balance works so much better than a regular balance. So the wear could probably cause the need for a remount as well.

[99GrandTouring]

Originally posted by Aurora40
Since a roadforce balance measures a deformed wheel under load, I'd think it's quite possible that the wearing of a tire will change how they should be matched up as well. The tire won't wear uniformly, and the construction isn't uniform, which is why a roadforce balance works so much better than a regular balance. So the wear could probably cause the need for a remount as well.

Thats also a very good possability, we used the hunter road forces at wyotech, what they do is match the high spot of the tire to the low spot of the rim, that way the tire/wheel combo is more round.

Wear, or things like a pothole could slightly shift the belts or anything and cause a variation as well

[RamAirV1]

I was wondering the same thing. I just had 2 tires replaced under warranty by GM because they had developed some minor flat spots. Since the tires are half way through their tread life, that was good PR by GM and the dealer. The vibration caused by the flat spots was not noticeable until after my tires were rotated.

Also a bead sealant was used on my new tires as aluminum have a reputation for leaking air.

Mike I assume the same answer would apply regardless of the tire dressing. I use the Insane Shine. I don't apply it very thick near the rim anyway. I decided to wait a week or two after the new tire installation to apply the Insane Shine.

RamAirV1