Water spotting after using nxt , now requiring repaint.

[CreamPuff]

Re: Water spotting after using nxt , now requiring repaint.

I'm not sure what this proves? NXT has kept my car shiny and smooth for the past 6 or so years...so what if it burns...my car isn't on fire?

[Zodiac1]

Re: Water spotting after using nxt , now requiring repaint.

Hi Everyone just thought i'd give a quick update as things stand at the moment.

Firstly and with sincere gratitude for the offer of sorting my car out i would like to thank Rapport, However and i mean this with the greatest of respect to the guy i am very capable of sorting the mess and will post pics of the finished article.

Thanks again tho , it was a very kind offer and had i not had 26 years in the trade i would have bitten your hand off.

Secondly my original point regarding the problem of baked in calcium/mineral spots when using NXT2 as opposed to Dodo juice Blue Velvet ( which unfortunately i had run out of ) has led me to investigate this problem further.

In my opinion ( and as i have said from the start of this thread ) i believe NXT2 was unsuitable for my cellulose paint and has exacerbated the normal unstable nature of the paint ( made softer ) due to the volatile / aggressive solvent used in it and this has made the paint more prone to etching of calcium/mineral marks. particularly for those in hard water areas such as myself.

I'm sure were all familiar with the word petroleum distillates in waxes but how many of us realize that those petroleum distillate solvents can vary in strength....in the same way that paint can have an aggressive basecoat solvent and 1k synthetic will have a weaker solvent very similar to oily white spirit.

I am aware that all waxes carry solvents but it is the aggressiveness ( hopefully lack of ) Quality and suitability for my type of finish that i have called into question with NXT2.

Its worth pointing that out that on a hard durable 2K finish an aggressive solvent based wax can assist in creating a lustrous shine and vibrant colour without softening the paint or lacquer surface.

Ok so how volatile and aggressive is the solvent in NXT2 , yes i know it has a warning of combustion on it but just HOW aggressive and combustible is it when compared to Dodo juice blue velvet. The very wax i had been using prior to NXT2 with no mineral etching.

Lets set fire to a small amount of each and see.

Firstly the NXT2.



Instant combustion.



Now tho Dodo juice Blue velvet ( my last scrapings ).



















Try as i did the Dodo would not burn and once solidified was good to use again, unlike the NXT2

I'm not trying to stir up a hornets nest here and hope it isn't percieved that way.

Me , i'm going to keep the heavy combustibles in the fuel tank ......certainly where my paint type is concerned.

[rapport25]

I think a meet is on the cards :-):-). trust me we will sort your paint.

Rappy.

Pics of the meet or ban!

Of course, the offers there. Just need Zodiac to get in touch.

[Damino]

Re: Water spotting after using nxt , now requiring repaint.

Hmmm....I don't know if this is the correct question to ask but...WHY are you using a Marine Wax on your car? Secondly...WHY are you using WD-40 on your paint? These two things I don't believe belong on an automotive paint job....

Because I read on this forum that the Marine Wax was not supposed to do any damage on the paint (and I searched A LOT to know if it was going to damage the paint) and the WD-40 is the only stuff that can get rid of these nasty water spots. BTW, since I "washed" my hood with the WD-40, there is no more water spots! It won't last long, but I'll do a couple of pass with a quality wax.

[CreamPuff]

Re: Water spotting after using nxt , now requiring repaint.

I think a meet is on the cards :-):-). trust me we will sort your paint.

Rappy.

Pics of the meet or ban!

[CreamPuff]

Re: Water spotting after using nxt , now requiring repaint.

I have the SAME EXACT problem as you dude!!! I polished my car with a marine wax (Meguiar's) and since then, I have the SAME water spots has you at EVERY rain and it's pissing me off really hard. They won't go away until I use WD-40 or Jig-A-Loo. I really need to find a way to remove them... Hope we can find some help, cause you can't know how much it ***** to have these spots...

Hmmm....I don't know if this is the correct question to ask but...WHY are you using a Marine Wax on your car? Secondly...WHY are you using WD-40 on your paint? These two things I don't believe belong on an automotive paint job....

[rapport25]

I think a meet is on the cards :-):-). trust me we will sort your paint.

Rappy.

[BillE]

Re: Water spotting after using nxt , now requiring repaint.

I shared this with a friend that has a loooong history in the automotive industry. His reply is below....

Good information Chad.

Thank you...

Bill

[davey g-force]

Re: Water spotting after using nxt , now requiring repaint.

...problems can arise from letting it sit on the paint, regardless what wax or sealant is there to "protect" the paint. In fact, it's this "protection" that often gets people into trouble since they believe their recently applied wax/sealant should do just that - protect the paint from attack. In fact, since waxes and sealants are sacrificial barriers, the best they can do is buy you some time. How much time depends on just what's in the water, and whether or not that water is subsequently subject to any harsh sunshine that "bakes in" the acid or minerals in the water...

Well put Michael. And if whatever was in the water has the ability to etch into paint, there is no way anyone could expect a wax/sealant to withstand it.

[RaskyR1]

Re: Water spotting after using nxt , now requiring repaint.

I shared this with a friend that has a loooong history in the automotive industry. His reply is below....

First thing is to use a 30X lighted magnifier and look closely to see if the paint film exhibits "small bubbles", if so it is etching from acids.
If cloudy, no bubbles, it is a light attack by something that was on the surface and the water activated it, or the wax that was on is gone and they are seeing the real paint once the coverup was removed.
Any paint system will absorb water, and it will evaporate out, it's what's in the water or was laying on the surface when the water and a little heat became present and activated, became "reactive" and ate at the resin system.
Grumpy

[Damino]

Re: Water spotting after using nxt , now requiring repaint.

I have the SAME EXACT problem as you dude!!! I polished my car with a marine wax (Meguiar's) and since then, I have the SAME water spots has you at EVERY rain and it's pissing me off really hard. They won't go away until I use WD-40 or Jig-A-Loo. I really need to find a way to remove them... Hope we can find some help, cause you can't know how much it ***** to have these spots...

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Water spotting after using nxt , now requiring repaint.

Zodiac, we're really sorry to see this sort of thing happen. We fully understand your initial reaction to put some of the blame (for lack of a better term) on the NXT Tech Wax 2.0 since this happened shortly after using that product for the first time. But it must be said that water spots are not all created equal, nor is the water that creates them. Acid rain, in vary degrees, will tend to come and go to the point were a simple rain shower one day won't cause much of an issue, but sometime in the future the situation can be very different. Unfortunately we can't tell just by looking at the rain as it's coming down whether or not it's acid rain, or what the level of acidity might be.

Everyone wants a wax that beads water like crazy, but in some cases - like acid rain - extreme beading can lead to problems because it causes concentrated beads of water to sit on the paint for long periods of time. Even if it's only extremely hard water (ie, a very high mineral content) problems can arise from letting it sit on the paint, regardless what wax or sealant is there to "protect" the paint. In fact, it's this "protection" that often gets people into trouble since they believe their recently applied wax/sealant should do just that - protect the paint from attack. In fact, since waxes and sealants are sacrificial barriers, the best they can do is buy you some time. How much time depends on just what's in the water, and whether or not that water is subsequently subject to any harsh sunshine that "bakes in" the acid or minerals in the water. The resulting spots can range from extremely mild where a simple quick detailer will remove them, all the way to extremely etched where nothing short of wet sanding and compounding will fix the problem. All the rest fall somewhere inbetween. Lastly, the paint itself plays a role here, depending on how hard or soft it is.

Hopefully you and Rappy can get together in the very near future and arrive at a plan of action to correct this. We suspect Ultimate Compound applied with a proper DA buffer and the right pads, speed, etc will sort the issue fairly easily.

[rapport25]

Hand and machine polishing? Da or rotary?

[rapport25]

Scratch x is more abrasive than ultimate polish. Ultimate polish is very close to swirl x apart from having more oils. Ideal on single stage paint. Or the other Megs products that you mentioned are more suited to single stage :-). As usual trial and error. And see what works best!!.

Scratch X is more abrasive because well...it was designed as a consumer product to help remove some scratches. More abrasive depends on how you use the product as well...if you use it by hand, you'll be surprised how much cutting you can get.

Ultimate Polish has very light abrasives in it and is actually designed for cars with modern clear coats. Ultimate Polish, if my 28 year old memory serves me correctly, is a a derivative of M205 Ultra Finishing Polish.

Show Car Glaze #7 is actually a pure polish and is designed for single stage paints.

Could not agree more,

Rappy.

[CreamPuff]

Re: Water spotting after using nxt , now requiring repaint.

Scratch x is more abrasive than ultimate polish. Ultimate polish is very close to swirl x apart from having more oils. Ideal on single stage paint. Or the other Megs products that you mentioned are more suited to single stage :-). As usual trial and error. And see what works best!!.

Scratch X is more abrasive because well...it was designed as a consumer product to help remove some scratches. More abrasive depends on how you use the product as well...if you use it by hand, you'll be surprised how much cutting you can get.

Ultimate Polish has very light abrasives in it and is actually designed for cars with modern clear coats. Ultimate Polish, if my 28 year old memory serves me correctly, is a a derivative of M205 Ultra Finishing Polish.

Show Car Glaze #7 is actually a pure polish and is designed for single stage paints.