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    Hey guys!

    Wife bought me a new truck and I find myself obsessing about keeping it sharp looking. I would like to share what I did and would like to hear what you think. This is a long post so I put the important points in bold, and I underlined the questions I have, thanks for reading!

    The paint is "Ingot Silver Metallic", the vehicle is a 2011 F-150.

    About a week ago I washed it using a non-Meguiars but car specific shampoo (not sure its okay to use other products names, rhymes with lane-hex), then used a non-meguiars spray on wax (rhymes with Girtle Hax). It looked great that night, pretty good the next day, and pretty much like it was gone by Thursday of last week. THEN I looked online and learned about Meguiars products, and bought the following on Friday...Scratch-X, Ultimate Polish, Ultimate paste wax, Ultimate Protectorant Spray.

    FRIDAY- I found few scratches, and tried to fully repair them myself, suffice it to say that I screwed up royally and will need to go to a paint booth. (A whole nother horror story). Lets just say I learned a lot the hard way. I spent the rest of the weekend messing up my paint.


    MONDAY- Went to a local paint and body shop and got the bad news, he will have to sand and blend my goofed up repair, 500$ I don't have right now lol. Anyway, my repair wasn't pretty but it was sound, as in dry and covering the metal, so I could wash and wax over it with no further damage. So about 5pm, when the truck was through with its work day, armed with my new found knowledge from the Meguiars vid's I got to work.


    1. Washed car with car shampoo using a microfiber mitt, starting at the roof and working down (its hard to reach all the areas of a trucks roof by the way, even from the bed lol), and dried it with microfiber towel, after washing I used a brush to do the tires last using the same soap I used on the paint. I did this in my driveway, because I didn't want to get my garage all wet. It was the best choice I had, theres no shade around here. I kept the car wet the whole time and washed each section individually. Then a final rinse and drying. I pulled the car into the garage...

    2. Inspection and Scratch-X, After my harrowing adventure over the weekend I wasn't going to try anything crazy, (lets just say because it looks easy and magical on you tube, doesn't mean wet sanding is something you should try the first time on a new vehicle) but I did find a few small scratches and the scratch-x got them out easily. Admittedly I didn't spend a long time on this step, the vehicle is brand spanking new, so the paint is in great shape. The paint felt smooth, very smooth, but my hand didn't really GLIDE across the the paint (could the resistance have the spray on wax I used maybe?), at any rate I didn't feel any rough spots at all, the resistance was uniform across the whole truck. I did see some road rash and rock dings, but they seemed too deep to use scratch-x on and I wasn't about to try anything more severe!!. It seemed I either had no defect at all or defects too deep for the products to fix. So I just left them. I live in North Central Texas, it rains dirt here, and for some reason we get a LOT of very small pebbles flying at vehicles around here!

    3. Polish- I used the ultimate polish on the whole truck. It seemed a very similar process to waxing. I didn't let the product sit however, I wiped it on an entire panel (with a foam pad dedicated for that product only), wiped on the adjacent panel, then wiped it off in a circular pattern (with a microfiber cloth), off both panels. I continued in this manner until the entire vehicle was done. At this point my truck was better looking than it was when I drove it off the lot! I was very impressed, however it did not have the glassy look of the vehicles I see on the website and in the videos, I know some of that is because I didn't use a machine to polish, I don't feel comfortable with that. How much does color play into polishing results? My truck is a very light silver, will it just never get that mirrored effect like I see on the Maguires website? I them went inside and had a cold drink, the idea being to let any residual polish dry completely.

    4. Wax My truck just BARELY fits into my garage, and I did not want to be up all night. So the sun was setting, it was about 7:30 when I put the wax on. The majority of the truck was in the garage and shaded, the tailgate was still in direct, but setting sunlight. I applied the wax with the included foam pad (now dedicated solely to that product). Upon review I put the wax on way thicker than I needed, by review I mean reading this forum and seeing photos. How big of a mistake is that? What if anything can I do to fix this (if it needs to be fixed)? Then I took a microfiber cloth and wiped the wax from the headlights, chrome, and door seals where I had accidentaly put some. What is the danger in putting the wax on rubber? Will it damage it?, or just leave residue? Was just wiping it off while it was still wet a good fix? I plan on buying some auto masking tape on my next waxing. At this point dinner was ready, so I went inside and ate and left the wax to dry. After about 20 minutes or so, I used a microfiber towel to wipe off the wax from each area, then with the supplied towel with the Ultimate wax, I buffed each area. My daughter came out and wanted to help so I showed her how to do it, and gave her two towels of her own to work with. I went behind her and buffed up a bit just to be sure. At this point my truck looked darn good! But it didn't look much better than after I polished. Don't get me wrong it was shiny as heck! But the wax didn't seem to really add any shine. The wax did however, add a little depth to the finish, I'm not sure how much "depth" you can really get in a metallic silver finish any thoughts?

    5. Interior During a previous wash reigmen I used a competeting product (rhymes with Harbor Call) but then heard horror stories about it! Everyone raved about the Maguire's stuff (including the paint and body pro I went to earlier today) so I used it this time with no fears. I used a microfiber applicator pad (just a regular old auto zone one) and sprayed it with the protectorant. Then I wiped down everything inside that wasn't glass, clear plastic, or cloth, with a light coating. My observations were that it did not make the interior as shiny as the competing product, but I liked the result WAY more! Instead of a plastic-y, filmy, sort of on top of the material shine, the Maguires stuff created a subdued, natural looking kind of glow effect that I found much more pleasing to my eye. The chemical seemed to be soaking in to the materials instead of just sitting on top and looking shiny. This product and the polish are sort of tied for what seemed to make the biggest WOW impact on me. Finally I cleaned the windows with regular old windex and wiped the paint down one more time.

    6. Other Questions Now that I've done all this what should I do to maintain it? Is it okay to just wash and dry it now about once a week, will that tear up my wax? Is it okay to put more wax on top of the old wax? Or should I just use the quick detailer and maybe buff it some more? Will buffing it more later, say a few days from now, make any difference in the shine? Or will it be too late by then? Is there a danger of putting TOO much wax on? Any tips on knowing when it's time to do the full waxing again? I didn't clay bar because my vehicle is new and the paint seemed very smooth and consistent, do you agree with that? This work took me about 4 hours 5:30-9:30 pm. I read on here that some people take much longer than that (almost as a bragging point, "I spent 36 hours detailing my car ect. ect.") Is the fact that it only took me 4 hours an indication that I did it wrong? Or that I did it poorly? I don't see and swirling or cobwebs or anything, it seems to be a consistent shine. I'm not trying to be curt or anything, I am just trying to learn.


    Overall I was very pleased with my end product, which I suppose it the whole point! Hopefully I can stave off some of that road rash, which is pretty severe down here, with this waxing work. My truck looks better than it did in the dealers lot! However, it does not have that wonderful reflective, deep quality I see on the website and videos, to be fair though I haven't seen in the sulight yet. I noticed that every car on the website and videos seems to be a dark color. My truck is the antithesis of dark, it is a very light, and now, shiny silver. I noticed that the metal flakes especially seem to really glisten now, almost annoyingly so, even in sunset light!

    I know that a post like is this is useless without photos so I will try to post some tomorrow, when it is light outside. I finished this work just tonight so again I haven't even seen it in the sunlight yet!

    If you read all this thank you SO much for your time and attention. I welcome any advice or comments or answers to my questions.

    Thanks for reading!,

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    Re: Newbie's thoughts & How do you think I did?

    Oh a few footnotes.

    While I love for my truck to look nice, my goal here is really protection of the finish. my truck already looked pretty nice. So if you have any advice with that in mind please feel free to share with me!

    Should I put another coat of wax on tomorrow (i.e next day) I would like to get the most out of my work so I don't mind.

    If I do put another coat on, how should I prep? Just wipe it off (its been in a garage all night) or do I need to wash it again?

    Is it okay to put the wax on the chrome? Are the results good? It'd be nice to protect my grill with the wax if possible.

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    • #3
      Re: Newbie's thoughts & How do you think I did?

      I have the same truck and the same color. I will add that I am a newbee to detailing and Meguiar's products. I took delivery of my truck in Nov 2011. Washed and applied the Ultimate Wax (UW spray on). I tried to do this on the few warm days that we had during the winter. In the spring, after reading the forum over the winter, this is the route that I took.

      Wash
      Clay
      Polish with Ultimate Polish (UP)
      Wax (NTX 2.0)
      Wax (NTX 2.0)

      My truck felt smooth too, but I clayed any way. Was very easy and no dirt was picked up by the clay.

      I do not think that applying a thick coat of wax will hurt, just not necessary.

      It appears to me that silver will not be as impressive as a darker color when completely cleaned up.

      For the chrome, I was using Mothers Chrome polish that I had on hand. Then I purchased the Meguiar's foam cone that attaches to a drill to clean the wheels (The cone comes with metal polish). If you got the chrome package on your truck, this is well worth the money.

      The more I read here, the more that I am learning. I am sure that some of the seasoned detailers will chime in and steer you in the right direction. Good luck on your truck.

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      • #4
        Re: Newbie's thoughts & How do you think I did?

        You can mention anything on here.

        FRIDAY- I found few scratches, and tried to fully repair them myself, suffice it to say that I screwed up royally and will need to go to a paint booth. (A whole nother horror story). Lets just say I learned a lot the hard way. I spent the rest of the weekend messing up my paint.
        What did you do?

        Maybe we can help... Or at least explain things so it doesnt happen again.

        1. Washed car
        OK

        2. Inspection and Scratch-X, The paint felt smooth, very smooth, but my hand didn't really GLIDE across the the paint (could the resistance have the spray on wax I used maybe?),
        This is where claying could help you out.

        3. Polish- IHow much does color play into polishing results? My truck is a very light silver, will it just never get that mirrored effect like I see on the Maguires website?
        Yeah, the color changes the finished look.

        4. Wax My truck just BARELY fits into my garage, and I did not want to be up all night. So the sun was setting, it was about 7:30 when I put the wax on. The majority of the truck was in the garage and shaded, the tailgate was still in direct, but setting sunlight.
        Sunlight is ok, it is the heat that is trouble.

        I applied the wax with the included foam pad (now dedicated solely to that product).
        You can wash them.
        Upon review I put the wax on way thicker than I needed, by review I mean reading this forum and seeing photos. How big of a mistake is that? What if anything can I do to fix this (if it needs to be fixed)?
        It is just harder to remove, and a bit of a waste.

        What is the danger in putting the wax on rubber? Will it damage it?, or just leave residue? Was just wiping it off while it was still wet a good fix?
        No damage, but can stain it white. Yes, removing while wet is good. Best to get it right away if you do.

        I'm not sure how much "depth" you can really get in a metallic silver finish any thoughts?
        Not as much depth on silver. And as you noted, most of the looks will come from the cleaning/polishing steps.

        5. Interior My observations were that it did not make the interior as shiny as the competing product, but I liked the result WAY more! Instead of a plastic-y, filmy, sort of on top of the material shine, the Maguires stuff created a subdued, natural looking kind of glow effect that I found much more pleasing to my eye. Finally I cleaned the windows with regular old windex and wiped the paint down one more time.
        Well, there are different interior products, some with a little more gloss, some with less. Would have to know which you used. And the Meguiars glass cleaners are fantastic.
        6. Other Questions Now that I've done all this what should I do to maintain it? Is it okay to just wash and dry it now about once a week, will that tear up my wax? Is it okay to put more wax on top of the old wax? Or should I just use the quick detailer and maybe buff it some more?
        You would want to wash the truck, and then use something like the Ult. Quick Wax after, or even while drying, to boost the wax a bit.

        Will buffing it more later, say a few days from now, make any difference in the shine?
        No.

        Is there a danger of putting TOO much wax on?
        No. But you want to make sure the surface is clean before adding more.

        Any tips on knowing when it's time to do the full waxing again?
        You just have to get a feel for it. You'll see how the water runs off differently when washing, and that sort of thing as it deteriorates.

        I didn't clay bar because my vehicle is new and the paint seemed very smooth and consistent, do you agree with that?
        No. You said it felt rough above...

        This work took me about 4 hours 5:30-9:30 pm. I read on here that some people take much longer than that (almost as a bragging point, "I spent 36 hours detailing my car ect. ect.") Is the fact that it only took me 4 hours an indication that I did it wrong? Or that I did it poorly?
        It just takes what it takes. If there is nothing to fix up, it goes faster. Although 2 coats of wax would be recommended, so that is a little more time.
        2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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        • #5
          Re: Newbie's thoughts & How do you think I did?

          While I love for my truck to look nice, my goal here is really protection of the finish. my truck already looked pretty nice. So if you have any advice with that in mind please feel free to share with me!
          The Ult. Wax products would be the most durable ones then.
          Should I put another coat of wax on tomorrow (i.e next day) I would like to get the most out of my work so I don't mind.
          If I do put another coat on, how should I prep? Just wipe it off (its been in a garage all night) or do I need to wash it again?
          You can. You would want to at least use a QD spray first to dust.

          Is it okay to put the wax on the chrome? Are the results good? It'd be nice to protect my grill with the wax if possible.
          Yes, anything smooth/glossy.
          2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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          • #6
            Re: Newbie's thoughts & How do you think I did?

            I would like to add in addition to what Murr said. Applying Ultimate Polish (UP) is not like applying wax. There is some cleaning ability in UP. Say you apply it 2'x2' at a time with a little passion. Then immediately wipe off before it get dry. See this could improve UP outcome.
            2010 Subaru Legacy GT - Graphite Gray Metallic

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            • #7
              Re: Newbie's thoughts & How do you think I did?

              I want to clear up a bit of confusion, when I ran my hand across the finish after washing, it was smooth and consistent, but not slippery (if you will), so I decided not to clay bar. Here are some pictures of my finished product. I'm pretty happy with the result...

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              A picture of the reflection I got. It was a very bright day and there was a lot of glare from the side walk, not a mirror like finish but pretty nice for me. Also it looks better in person, the photo doesn't really do it justice.

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              It's hard to get a good idea of what an amazing job the protectorant spray did on my interor from this photo, there is a massive glare!

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              Ok here is a photo of my massive mistake! What you see here started as a rock chip. I filled it with touch-up paint, it wasn't a perfect match but not bad. I SHOULD have stopped there, but dang my perfectionism!! Wet-sanding looked easy on you-tube, so I tried it. I didn't realize how easy it is to go WAY to deep, and how thin factory clear coat is. I sanded clear down to the primer thinking, "Oh just a little more and I'll get the ding". No, the ding was all the way down to the primer, which is where I sanded to. The local paint and body quoted me a price of 500$ to sand it down (ironically) and re-blend the area into the door (to the left of the photo). It was a sickening feeling seeing that white primer! I finally just put a few coats of dealer touch-up paint as smoothly as I could with a brush just to protect the area until I can afford the repair. Moral of the story, If you have a rock chip, just dab a bit of touch-up paint and LEAVE IT ALONE! The damage doesn't bother you NEARLY as bad as the result of trying to wet sand as a rookie, or the price of getting it fixed lol! Or at least ask for advice from a IN PERSON pro before you try something like this, not some jack*** on DOOF-TUBE! If I had just taken it to the paint guy in the first place, he would have polished out my touch up paint repair for 20$ he said. It wouldn't have been perfect, but it would have looked better than this, and a lot cheaper over all!

              On the bright side, after I pay the 500$, the area should look like nothing ever happened!!

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              • #8
                Re: Newbie's thoughts & How do you think I did?

                To answer some more posts... I didn't let the UP dry or sit, I rubbed it in pretty vigorously and wiped it off immediately, I saw no spidering or holograms, or other problems (maybe a bit of orange peel effect, but that was there when i bought the vehicle). The product I used on the interior was armor all (originally) during this detail I used Meguiars Ultimate Protectorant spray. i was pleased as noted in my original post.

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                • #9
                  Re: Newbie's thoughts & How do you think I did?

                  If just dealing with a rock chip, all you want is a toothpick, and a few very light coats. You can almost build it up even just from that.

                  The paint really should feel like it does after you wax all the time. So if it wasnt that slick, that can be a sign to clay. It isnt like feeling for big bumps.

                  Lots of orange peel really, but cant help that, unless you felt like wet-sanding it off....

                  The Ult. Protectant Spray will be on the higher gloss side of what Meguiars has.
                  2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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                  • #10
                    Don't feel too bad. I've successfully cleaned up bird bombs before, but this one time one wouldn't come out, so I kept at it with ultimate compound and a foam pad. Next thing im getting blue paint on the pad, so I must have gone through the clear. It's easy to get caught up in the quest for perfection and make silly, rushed mistakes when you dont fully understand what you are doing.

                    Just always remember Micheal Stoops' forum signature :-)

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                    • #11
                      Re: Newbie's thoughts & How do you think I did?

                      Originally posted by Murr1525 View Post
                      If just dealing with a rock chip, all you want is a toothpick, and a few very light coats. You can almost build it up even just from that.

                      The paint really should feel like it does after you wax all the time. So if it wasnt that slick, that can be a sign to clay. It isnt like feeling for big bumps.

                      Lots of orange peel really, but cant help that, unless you felt like wet-sanding it off....

                      The Ult. Protectant Spray will be on the higher gloss side of what Meguiars has.
                      You know the pics show a lot of orange peel, but in person it's not that bad. It almost seems like what looks like orange peel in the photos is actually the metal flakes in person (I know that doesn't make sense but you'd have to see it to understand). The metal flakes especially are REALLY sparkly and maybe are making an illusion effect on the camera?? Anyway I'm not worried about orange peel, this is a daily driver not a "garage queen" (jk guys, no offense meant I love show cars) and if there is peel, it must have come from the factory like that. At any rate if it can't be fixed by hand, which it sounds like thats what you are saying, I'm not gonna obsess, I learned my lesson about that! If I still have it in ten years or so maybe I'll get it re-painted.

                      Does claying fix orange peel at all?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Newbie's thoughts & How do you think I did?

                        Don't be too hard on yourself - you're not the first person who's sanded through the clear coat by accident.

                        For factory paint, a scratch that can be easily felt by your finger nail is probably too deep to completely remove without running the risk of going through the clear coat or locally reducing the integrity of the clear coat. This may sound conservative but it's cheaper than getting a repaint.

                        Claying does not fix orange peel - it removes surface contaminants that are bonded to the paint.
                        Andy W.
                        Bimmers - '72 Tii, '74 Tii, '88 M3, '91 318is, & '01 330i
                        Ford - '91 Ranger

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                        • #13
                          Re: Newbie's thoughts & How do you think I did?

                          The truck turned up well, quite nicely in fact. Oversanding to remove the scratch has been done badly by many in this forum, and a minor misjudgement that can lead to unwanted repair bills. I've done it myself, no choice but to have it repainted. Overestimated my own skills (or lack thereof) when it comes to removing scratches myself.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Newbie's thoughts & How do you think I did?

                            Anyone who does enough sanding will eventually burn all the way through a clear coat. It happens -- learn from it

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                            • #15
                              Re: Newbie's thoughts & How do you think I did?

                              Gotta say, we love this post! Even though you've made a mistake or two along the way, it shows us you're thinking about things, and as long as you're thinking you're actually ahead of the game. Well, OK, except for maybe that part about wet sanding through the clear, and the color, right down to the primer. But with everything else, we like the way your mind is working.

                              Now let's address some of your concerns:

                              Originally posted by lowew79 View Post
                              Hey guys!

                              Wife bought me a new truck and I find myself obsessing about keeping it sharp looking. I would like to share what I did and would like to hear what you think. This is a long post so I put the important points in bold, and I underlined the questions I have, thanks for reading!

                              The paint is "Ingot Silver Metallic", the vehicle is a 2011 F-150.

                              About a week ago I washed it using a non-Meguiars but car specific shampoo (not sure its okay to use other products names, rhymes with lane-hex), then used a non-meguiars spray on wax (rhymes with Girtle Hax). It looked great that night, pretty good the next day, and pretty much like it was gone by Thursday of last week. THEN I looked online and learned about Meguiars products, and bought the following on Friday...Scratch-X, Ultimate Polish, Ultimate paste wax, Ultimate Protectorant Spray.
                              First off, we have no problems with you saying things like Rain-X, Turtle Wax, etc. We won't let you bash our competitors, but it's OK if you don't particularly care for one of their products. Heck, it's OK with us if you don't particularly care for one of our products - we're realistic and know that not everyone is going to love everything we make, and that's fine. But we won't let you bash us, either.

                              Originally posted by lowew79 View Post
                              FRIDAY- I found few scratches, and tried to fully repair them myself, suffice it to say that I screwed up royally and will need to go to a paint booth. (A whole nother horror story). Lets just say I learned a lot the hard way. I spent the rest of the weekend messing up my paint.


                              MONDAY- Went to a local paint and body shop and got the bad news, he will have to sand and blend my goofed up repair, 500$ I don't have right now lol. Anyway, my repair wasn't pretty but it was sound, as in dry and covering the metal, so I could wash and wax over it with no further damage. So about 5pm, when the truck was through with its work day, armed with my new found knowledge from the Meguiars vid's I got to work.
                              Yeah, that's a tough lesson to learn, and not just about wet sanding, but YouTube videos in general. When someone who's really skilled at anything makes a video about it, they make whatever that thing is look easy. Ever watch the Olympics? Have you seen those guys who strap little boards on their feet and then careen down the side of a mountain, covered in snow and ice, and not only live to tell the tale but actually look excited at the end and not scared to death??? Or the guys who strap blades onto their boots and then gracefully throw a young lady in the air while spinning in circles on a sheet of ice, catching her just moments before her head cracks open like a raw egg hitting concrete? And they smile about it!? Yeah, I'm not doing either of those things just because I saw a YouTube video. Wet sanding is sort of like that, but at least when you goofed up wet sanding you didn't break your neck in the process.


                              Originally posted by lowew79 View Post
                              1. Washed car with car shampoo using a microfiber mitt, starting at the roof and working down (its hard to reach all the areas of a trucks roof by the way, even from the bed lol), and dried it with microfiber towel, after washing I used a brush to do the tires last using the same soap I used on the paint. I did this in my driveway, because I didn't want to get my garage all wet. It was the best choice I had, theres no shade around here. I kept the car wet the whole time and washed each section individually. Then a final rinse and drying. I pulled the car into the garage...
                              You've probably read about all the cautions about not working on a car (or truck, as the case may be) in direct sunlight and normally this is excellent advice. But what's most important here is to not work on a hot surface. A light colored vehicle won't get really hot when exposed to direct sunlight if the sun is low in the sky and the ambient temperature isn't really high. You being in Texas we fully understand that it can get blazingly hot, but late in the day, with the sun getting low, if you can put your hand on the paint and not recoil in pain, you really shouldn't have any serious issues. If you've got really thick skin and handle a lot pain, just use some common sense.

                              Originally posted by lowew79 View Post
                              2. Inspection and Scratch-X, After my harrowing adventure over the weekend I wasn't going to try anything crazy, (lets just say because it looks easy and magical on you tube, doesn't mean wet sanding is something you should try the first time on a new vehicle) but I did find a few small scratches and the scratch-x got them out easily. Admittedly I didn't spend a long time on this step, the vehicle is brand spanking new, so the paint is in great shape. The paint felt smooth, very smooth, but my hand didn't really GLIDE across the the paint (could the resistance have the spray on wax I used maybe?), at any rate I didn't feel any rough spots at all, the resistance was uniform across the whole truck. I did see some road rash and rock dings, but they seemed too deep to use scratch-x on and I wasn't about to try anything more severe!!. It seemed I either had no defect at all or defects too deep for the products to fix. So I just left them. I live in North Central Texas, it rains dirt here, and for some reason we get a LOT of very small pebbles flying at vehicles around here!
                              Small scratches fully eradicated by ScratchX - now that sounds like your clear thinking has set you on a path to paint care nirvana. Or at least from becoming best buddies with your local body and paint guy. So you did what you should be doing with this product and got a great result. Perfect. As for the feel of the paint, don't expect it to necessarily let your fingertips glide over it quite the way a nice microfiber towel might. But if you didn't feel any roughness then, as you suspected, there was nothing to gain from claying. Sounds like, once again, you did the right thing here.

                              Originally posted by lowew79 View Post
                              3. Polish- I used the ultimate polish on the whole truck. It seemed a very similar process to waxing. I didn't let the product sit however, I wiped it on an entire panel (with a foam pad dedicated for that product only), wiped on the adjacent panel, then wiped it off in a circular pattern (with a microfiber cloth), off both panels. I continued in this manner until the entire vehicle was done. At this point my truck was better looking than it was when I drove it off the lot! I was very impressed, however it did not have the glassy look of the vehicles I see on the website and in the videos, I know some of that is because I didn't use a machine to polish, I don't feel comfortable with that. How much does color play into polishing results? My truck is a very light silver, will it just never get that mirrored effect like I see on the Maguires website? I them went inside and had a cold drink, the idea being to let any residual polish dry completely.
                              Your application of the polish could use a bit of tweaking, to be candid about it. You should be applying compounds, paint cleaners and polishes to much smaller areas at a time - like no more than about 2' x 2', and wiping off the residue long before it dries. In the case of compounds and paint cleaners (this includes ScratchX 2.0 by the way) you need to put some elbow grease into the equation, but never scrub really hard in a tiny area even by hand. Applying a polish doesn't require as much muscle since you're no longer trying to remove severe defects, you're just refining the surface a bit and adding gloss. It sounds as though you ultimately achieved that, but you made a bit more work for yourself than you needed to. Wiping off a dried polish can be kind of tough, but wiping it off while still wet is far, far easier. And you don't gain anything by letting these products dry - they only do their thing when being worked against the paint - so don't make this process any harder than it has to be.

                              Originally posted by lowew79 View Post
                              4. Wax My truck just BARELY fits into my garage, and I did not want to be up all night. So the sun was setting, it was about 7:30 when I put the wax on. The majority of the truck was in the garage and shaded, the tailgate was still in direct, but setting sunlight. I applied the wax with the included foam pad (now dedicated solely to that product). Upon review I put the wax on way thicker than I needed, by review I mean reading this forum and seeing photos. How big of a mistake is that? What if anything can I do to fix this (if it needs to be fixed)? Then I took a microfiber cloth and wiped the wax from the headlights, chrome, and door seals where I had accidentaly put some. What is the danger in putting the wax on rubber? Will it damage it?, or just leave residue? Was just wiping it off while it was still wet a good fix? I plan on buying some auto masking tape on my next waxing. At this point dinner was ready, so I went inside and ate and left the wax to dry. After about 20 minutes or so, I used a microfiber towel to wipe off the wax from each area, then with the supplied towel with the Ultimate wax, I buffed each area. My daughter came out and wanted to help so I showed her how to do it, and gave her two towels of her own to work with. I went behind her and buffed up a bit just to be sure. At this point my truck looked darn good! But it didn't look much better than after I polished. Don't get me wrong it was shiny as heck! But the wax didn't seem to really add any shine. The wax did however, add a little depth to the finish, I'm not sure how much "depth" you can really get in a metallic silver finish any thoughts?
                              Again, as long as the paint isn't really hot you're OK to work on it, even in direct (although low angle) sunlight. And since you're using Ultimate Wax, you're even safer in this regard since this wax was formulated to be safely used even in direct sunlight. Just for the heck of it we pushed this to the limit one time, applying it to a black car with a measured surface temperature of almost 160F and it still worked fine. We don't recommend that you make a habit of this, but 160F is painful to touch, so if the paint is just warm, no big deal with this wax It's also really common for people to apply wax way too heavy. It's not correct, but it's common. A little bit goes a long, long way so ease up. But there's nothing to "fix" now that it's done. You applied it, it hazed, you wiped it off. You still left behind the same amount you would have with a thin coat, you just had to work harder to remove the thicker haze, and basically threw away a lot more excess product than you needed to. A freshly opened can of wax, once used to cover a full sized car, or even a pickup truck, should still look like a pretty darn fresh can even when you're done.

                              Another little tweak to your technique involves the removal of the dried wax. Yes, you should let the wax dry fully before removal, but Ultimate Wax paste dries pretty quickly so by the time you're done covering all the painted surfaces of this truck it should be dry where you started applying and you start taking it off. And here's where you need to tweak things: just wipe it off with a clean microfiber towel, flip the towel over and wipe again. Now stop touching the truck! There is no need to continually buff the finish. You don't increase the shine, you don't increase the gloss. In fact, continually buffing only does one thing - it removes that tiny little microscopic amount that you actually want to leave on the pant. So wipe it off, and stop touching the paint - you're done!!
                              Now, your observation about the wax not adding any more shine is valid. Just as your assumption about silver not really being able to show a lot of depth is accurate; silver will never look as deep and wet as black, red and other dark colors can. And since the vast majority of your shine comes from the prep work, including the polish, you shouldn't expect a huge chance in appearance after adding a wax. But you want a good wax to protect and preserve all the hard work you put into making the paint shine in the first place, and a good synthetic like Ultimate Wax is a great choice. It will last longer than carnauba waxes and will probably give a crisper, brighter shine on your silver truck than a carnauba would have. Of course, that is very subjective and some people can't tell the difference while others have very definite and strongly defined opinions on the matter.
                              Originally posted by lowew79 View Post
                              5. Interior During a previous wash reigmen I used a competeting product (rhymes with Harbor Call) but then heard horror stories about it! Everyone raved about the Maguire's stuff (including the paint and body pro I went to earlier today) so I used it this time with no fears. I used a microfiber applicator pad (just a regular old auto zone one) and sprayed it with the protectorant. Then I wiped down everything inside that wasn't glass, clear plastic, or cloth, with a light coating. My observations were that it did not make the interior as shiny as the competing product, but I liked the result WAY more! Instead of a plastic-y, filmy, sort of on top of the material shine, the Maguires stuff created a subdued, natural looking kind of glow effect that I found much more pleasing to my eye. The chemical seemed to be soaking in to the materials instead of just sitting on top and looking shiny. This product and the polish are sort of tied for what seemed to make the biggest WOW impact on me. Finally I cleaned the windows with regular old windex and wiped the paint down one more time.
                              Yes, everyone hears horror stories about Harbor Call.... er, Armor All, but it's a bunch of Internet Myth Nonsense. Armor All is NOT going to rot your dash, make it crack, or any of those other scary things we hear every day. Your observations, however, are once again spot on. Our products like Natural Shine, Supreme Shine (the higher gloss version of the two) and Ultimate Protectant will actually dry completely dry to the touch. This means they won't be quite as shiny as the other stuff, but they also won't be slimy and greasy, or blind you with reflections off of black textured vinyl (which shouldn't reflect like a mirror in the first place, but some people seem to like that look, so.....................)

                              Originally posted by lowew79 View Post
                              6. Other Questions Now that I've done all this what should I do to maintain it? Is it okay to just wash and dry it now about once a week, will that tear up my wax? Is it okay to put more wax on top of the old wax? Or should I just use the quick detailer and maybe buff it some more? Will buffing it more later, say a few days from now, make any difference in the shine? Or will it be too late by then? Is there a danger of putting TOO much wax on? Any tips on knowing when it's time to do the full waxing again? I didn't clay bar because my vehicle is new and the paint seemed very smooth and consistent, do you agree with that? This work took me about 4 hours 5:30-9:30 pm. I read on here that some people take much longer than that (almost as a bragging point, "I spent 36 hours detailing my car ect. ect.") Is the fact that it only took me 4 hours an indication that I did it wrong? Or that I did it poorly? I don't see and swirling or cobwebs or anything, it seems to be a consistent shine. I'm not trying to be curt or anything, I am just trying to learn.
                              Maintenance from here on out should be a good quality wash once a week, and maybe with a good wipe down using a quick detailer (Ultimate Quik Detailer is great for this) once a day with a few microfiber towels. But jeez, stop buffing the paint!!! If you want to apply a fresh coat of Ultimate Wax in a month or two, just make sure the truck is washed and dried thoroughly, then quickly inspect it for both swirls and roughness. If you determine that all it needs is a fresh coat of wax, then wax it. If it needs to be clayed first, then do that first. That's going to be for you to decide based on what your evaluation shows, and based on your expectations. How long any of this takes depends on a lot of factors - what tools you're working with, how the paint responds, what you want out of the finish, etc. There is a bit of the "law of diminishing returns" here: you can dramatically freshen up the appearance of almost any car, in almost any condition, in just a couple of hours with a good buffer and a bit of skill. But that's just a dramatic freshening, not necessarily a full on detail. A "full on detail" (which you can define any way you please) could take 4 to 14 hours or more. And to then take that vehicle and prep it for a true concours show might take an additional 15 hours of attention. Heck, we know of a highly skilled professional detailer who regularly preps vehicles for some of the greatest concours events in the world who will spend 4 hours prepping one wire spoked wheel on an old Jaguar. A wheel that most of us would consider clean and ready to go before he started on it. That's just one wheel! So again, you get out of this what you put into it.

                              Originally posted by lowew79 View Post
                              Overall I was very pleased with my end product, which I suppose it the whole point!
                              100% spot on.

                              Originally posted by lowew79 View Post
                              Hopefully I can stave off some of that road rash, which is pretty severe down here, with this waxing work.
                              Wax won't stop rocks, so don't expect it to be a force field against rock chips. That's asking an awful lot from a microscopic coating you applied by hand.

                              Originally posted by lowew79 View Post
                              My truck looks better than it did in the dealers lot! However, it does not have that wonderful reflective, deep quality I see on the website and videos, to be fair though I haven't seen in the sulight yet. I noticed that every car on the website and videos seems to be a dark color. My truck is the antithesis of dark, it is a very light, and now, shiny silver. I noticed that the metal flakes especially seem to really glisten now, almost annoyingly so, even in sunset light!
                              It sounds like you've taken your silver paint to a whole new level though, which is fantastic. Nope, it's never going to give you the look of a black or red vehicle, but you can still have the shiniest, most sparkling clean eye catching silver truck in the entire Lone Star State (and that's saying something!) if you keep this up.

                              Originally posted by lowew79 View Post
                              I know that a post like is this is useless without photos so I will try to post some tomorrow, when it is light outside. I finished this work just tonight so again I haven't even seen it in the sunlight yet!

                              If you read all this thank you SO much for your time and attention. I welcome any advice or comments or answers to my questions.

                              Thanks for reading!,
                              The pictures look awesome, and that silver is really glowing. We think you did an outstanding job - nicely done!
                              Michael Stoops
                              Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                              Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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