• If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

    [COLOR=#222222][FONT=Times][SIZE=2][FONT=arial]Hello guys,

    First, a little bit of a background...

    I own both a United Grey 2007 Volkswagen GTI and a Candy White 2010 Volkswagen GTI. I recently bought the 2010 used with extremely low milage and when I got it home I discovered the car had light swirls covering the entire car as well as RIDS, which appear to be due to use of one of those silicone drying blades. The 2007 model has about 60,000 miles and has never had any type of work done to the paint for the exception of the usual washing, claying, and waxing. It had pretty substantial swirl marks as well as some RIDS.

    I recently ordered the Meguiars G110v2, as well as a couple of the Soft Buff 2.0 Polishing Pads, Soft Buff 2.0, Finishing Pads, Ultimate Compound, Ultimate Polish, and NXT Wax. As recommended, I did a test spot on the hood of the 2007 to get an idea of where to start. I started with the Ultimate Polish and immediately I knew it wasn't going to be enough for removing the defects. So I stepped it up to the Ultimate Compound and the Soft Buff 2.0 Polishing Pad. Setting the G110v2 on about 5, doing about 6 passes of moderate pressure, I was able to remove nearly all of the swirl marks as well as remove most of the minor scratches, and feather down the deeper scratches to the point where you couldn't see them unless you looked right up on the surface. I then followed up with the Ultimate Polish using the Finishing Pad set to around 4, and then the NXT which I applied by hand using a foam applicator.

    Now on to my problem...

    The problem I'm having is although the defects are more or less gone, leaving a near flawless finish, what was left over are what appears to be tiny chips in the surface of the paint. At first I thought that they were scattered pieces of microfiber or dried up compound that blew back onto the surface but it is actually in the paint. They are randomly spaced over the entire surface and almost look like fine pieces of sand at first glance, but under closer inspection, they are actually very tiny chips in the clear coat. I looked at the rest of the surface outside of the test spot and these tiny chips do not exist.

    I went ahead and finished the rest of the car and these "chips" are now virtually all over the car. At first I chocked it up as leftover areas of the swirls that weren't able to be buffed out, that is, until I started on the 2010 car. I ended up doing the similar method used on the 2007 on the 2010 due to the severity of the RIDS, and although the majority of the RIDS and swirls are gone, I'm again left with these tiny little "chips" in the paint. In addition, this evening I helped a buddy of mine remove some swirl marks and light scratches from the carbon fiber spoiler on his Mitsubishi EVO and again I was left with the same exact results.

    I haven't been able to take photographs to show these "chips," but I can assure you they weren't there prior to using the Ultimate Compound, applied with the G110v2. Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this? I've searched everywhere looking for an answers, including this forum. and can find nothing for the exception that the tradeoff of using a DA is that you are sometimes left with hazing or micro-marring. I've looked at pictures on this forum and these "chips" look like nothing showed in the examples of micro-marring. Any answers you may have would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

    The vehicles in question:





    Last edited by Markus Kleis; May 1, 2012, 09:55 PM. Reason: No hyperlinks before 30 posts

  • #2
    Re: H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

    What sometimes happens when polishing like this is that you might end up with compound or polish (dried) in the micro-chips that happen from regular driving, which are then accentuated and appear white and obvious.

    What parts of the vehicle are you seeing these "chips?"

    I have never chipped paint with a DA before, nor have I heard of it or can I think of any way that could happen. I think something else is going on here.

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

      contaminated pad?
      Keeping MOL family friendly! If you need help or have a question, don't hesitate to shoot me an email or PM. 101impala@gmail.com
      Andy M. Moderator

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

        Originally posted by Mark Kleis View Post
        What sometimes happens when polishing like this is that you might end up with compound or polish (dried) in the micro-chips that happen from regular driving, which are then accentuated and appear white and obvious.

        What parts of the vehicle are you seeing these "chips?"

        I have never chipped paint with a DA before, nor have I heard of it or can I think of any way that could happen. I think something else is going on here.
        These chips are over the entire car and are identical to the ones that appeared on the test section of the white car and on the spoiler on my buddy's EVO. They are literally the size of a grain of sand, not really noticeable in the sunlight by the average person, but definitely there.

        Originally posted by Andy M. View Post
        contaminated pad?
        That's what I thought of at first, but it was a brand new pad. I have four polishing pads which I swapped out regularly during the entire polishing process.

        I'm going to try and borrow my sister's SLR tomorrow and see if I can capture a picture of said chips.

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

          ive also noticed that as i start to use compound the fine and deeper scratches that i havent noticed before pop up and so did these lil holes that looked like you say rock chips
          If you like my work please like my FB page
          https://www.facebook.com/Ultimatecardetailingoc

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

            The thing is, given the movement pattern of a DA buffer it wouldn't make any sense that it would chip paint without swirling the heck out of it too.

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

              Originally posted by Psynx View Post
              ive also noticed that as i start to use compound the fine and deeper scratches that i havent noticed before pop up and so did these lil holes that looked like you say rock chips
              I believe the reason the fine and deeper scratches are more noticeable after using the compound is because the swirls, etc. that were previously in the finish masked them. But these "chips" were definitely not in the finish prior to using the Ultimate Compound. They look as if someone took a pin and gouged the paint randomly all of over the car.

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

                I should also add that I just used my G110v2 and some Ultimate Compound on one of my electric guitars to see if it would remove some swirl marks and light scratches, and it did perfectly... however, it left similar "chips" in the finish. Is this micro-marring "ticks" that I'm seeing? I was under the impression that "ticks" were small scratches around 1/8-1/4" or so. These "chips" are about the size of the head of a pin.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

                  We really need to see pictures. I think there is a lot of confusion here because to me a chip is an indentation of nicked/missing paint, not something you will experience like that from a DA.

                  Can you feel them with your fingernail?

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

                    Originally posted by Mark Kleis View Post
                    We really need to see pictures. I think there is a lot of confusion here because to me a chip is an indentation of nicked/missing paint, not something you will experience like that from a DA.

                    Can you feel them with your fingernail?
                    Maybe my description or choice of words to use wasn't accurate. They aren't technically chips or missing paint, but tiny indentations. They are way too small to feel with your fingernail. In paint terms, the closest I can come to would be fish eyes, albeit much much smaller. Here's picture of fish eyes for reference, however these aren't even nearly as large as the ones in this picture. They are literally the size of the tip of a pin, Very small, but enough of them to notice under the light. In terms of appearance, they look like these but the size of the tip of a pin.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

                      Is that just a random picture? That looks like a low quality re-paint to me as the cause in that picture. Those look like bubbles in the paint and poor texture matching.

                      As for your cars, to understand why I don't think it could be the UC causing it, imagine how the compound works: you take REALLY small micro-abrasives (VERY uniform ones at that, thanks to a new technology exclusive to new polishes and compounds known as SMAT, or Super Micro Abrasive Technology), which are spun in circular-esque motions, each time they pass over the paint they remove a very thin layer of paint, leveling the surface. That is how and why one can create "hologram" type swirls if the process isn't completed.

                      On that note, the reason it doesn't make a ton of sense that they could create pin-***** type indentations which would require a stationary, straight down motion. Does that make sense?

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

                        Originally posted by Mark Kleis View Post
                        Is that just a random picture? That looks like a low quality re-paint to me as the cause in that picture. Those look like bubbles in the paint and poor texture matching.
                        Originally posted by On3Wheels View Post
                        In paint terms, the closest I can come to would be fish eyes, albeit much much smaller. Here's picture of fish eyes for reference, however these aren't even nearly as large as the ones in this picture. They are literally the size of the tip of a pin, Very small, but enough of them to notice under the light. In terms of appearance, they look like these but the size of the tip of a pin.

                        Originally posted by Mark Kleis View Post
                        As for your cars, to understand why I don't think it could be the UC causing it, imagine how the compound works: you take REALLY small micro-abrasives (VERY uniform ones at that, thanks to a new technology exclusive to new polishes and compounds known as SMAT, or Super Micro Abrasive Technology), which are spun in circular-esque motions, each time they pass over the paint they remove a very thin layer of paint, leveling the surface. That is how and why one can create "hologram" type swirls if the process isn't completed.

                        On that note, the reason it doesn't make a ton of sense that they could create pin-***** type indentations which would require a stationary, straight down motion. Does that make sense?
                        I'm totally aware how these machines and product work, and what you said makes perfect sense, however, how these marks are appearing doesn't. Believe me, I am as stumped as you are, and quite frankly, disgusted. I'm going to grab an SLR with a macro lens today and HOPEFULLY snap sue pictures of said marks. Stay tuned.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

                          I am no expert. Just a wild guess: Did you wipe off Ultimate Compound before it get dry?
                          2010 Subaru Legacy GT - Graphite Gray Metallic

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Re: H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

                            Originally posted by andytsang View Post
                            I am no expert. Just a wild guess: Did you wipe off Ultimate Compound before it get dry?
                            Absolutely.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Re: H110v2 and Ultimate Compound leaving tiny chips in finish. Micro-marring? Ticks?

                              Here are a few pictures as promised. Let me just tell you, white is a total pain to photograph, let alone marks in the paint this small. As I said in my original post, these marks are no where else on the vehicle except where I used the Ultimate Polish. This area is roughly a 24x24" square of the hood, taped off with painter's tape. As soon as you go past the tape, there are no marks anywhere else in the paint for the exception of swirls and a few RIDS.

                              The first two were taken with a macro lens, so you can see the shape of these marks:




                              The next one is shot further away. You can see the marks at the end of the piece of blue painter's tape. To get an idea of how small these marks are, the small hatches around them are pieces of microfiber:


                              And lastly, another shot from even further away. Below the lower left of the painter's tape is the GTI emblem for size reference:

                              Comment

                              Your Privacy Choices
                              Working...
                              X