How to remove old thick bubbling NXT Tech Wax 2?

[Mark58]

Re: How to remove old thick bubbling NXT Tech Wax 2?

That's the best description i've read for this.

camry is 10yrs old, bought it 5yrs ago and came with a replaced hood ( i missed that on inspection), but paintjob was superb and car still drives like new today. quiet as a cat. Up untill 2 yrs ago, i'd been using Optimum Car Wash regularly, and when it was shiny, during the oil change at a Toyota delaership, asked how much they'll buy it back for, they offered $2500. WTF? $2500 for a car that still drives/sounds/looks like new? So when my Optimum wax ran out I decided to give it some more wax and bought $50 worth of meguirs NXT TW2.0 . Bad Bad Bad choice

As you can see from the pic,it's the result of 1yr of NXT and 1yr of unattention, but 80% of the hood is still covered in white wax, and none of the 4 meguiars products I have listed will give it back the dark/wet/glossy look until it eventually bubbles and flakes off, which could take years. I'm too chicken to try kerosen on it. In the meantime, I'l just keep layering on more wax with each wash (alternating Dawn and carwash) in hopes of protecting the exposed black paint. From the quoted value of the car, it's not worth a new paint job, so I'll just drive it as is, and keep on layering wax/dawn/etc.

1. But just for my curiosity, how much am I looking at to apply a clearcoat and/or paint this 10yr camry?
2. Shoudl I refrain from using the meguiars cleaner wax on the hood to prevent further stripping the expose black base paint, or is that safe as well?

It was not Megiars that caused your problem. After market clear coat just did not hold up for you. Stop at some body shop and find out how much to sand down and reapply clear COATS.
You have no problem using tar remover? Kerosine is same thing but not refined as well. I used it on my cars for 40 yrs and still do on my black Cadillac.The only solution you have is repaint.Once again it is NOT WAX that's on your car.The only way you would have that much wax you would have to spoon it on.The wax you are using will not layer,,when you apply new coat you are removing most of the old if any left.When you were applying wax you said pad was turning black. Clear coat is CLEAR so you are waxing base coat.

[NXTbubble]

Re: How to remove old thick bubbling NXT Tech Wax 2?

would this Tar Remover Spray do to remove any remaining wax from the hood and not harm the base coat? www.amazon.com/Turtle-Wax-T-520A-Remover-Trigger/dp/B0009JKGII/
If it was not "layering", wouldn't subsequent application of the NXT Tech Wax Spray turn that white area clear? Those white areas (80%) still remaining are not turning clear, nor going away, and just seems to "layer" even thicker everytime I apply any of the waxes mentioned. Oh, and today was the first time i tried that meguiars A1216 cleaner wax on half of the hood, turned the pad black, and did not seem to remove any wax at all, so it seems to have just removed some black paint from those exposed areas. (or, as you said, it did not affect the remaining white/dirty clear coat, but was just rubbing off the black paint, which in itself is not what i intended). I'll see if I can get the tar remover and do it next weekend, Thanks for all the suggestions,

[Mark58]

Re: How to remove old thick bubbling NXT Tech Wax 2?

You can get tar remover from any automotive place.Iw will do nothing for you but prove it's clear coat failure. When pad turned black it's base coat.

[GoZoner]

Re: How to remove old thick bubbling NXT Tech Wax 2?

It is useless for you to be applying anything to the hood. Go to a body shop or two and ask them.

[SVT Lightning]

Re: How to remove old thick bubbling NXT Tech Wax 2?

"So when my Optimum wax ran out I decided to give it some more wax and bought $50 worth of meguirs NXT TW2.0 . Bad Bad Bad choice"

The NXT had nothing to do with your CC failure.....it has to do with the quality of the clear and how many layers of clear are on the hood. You could have kept using the Optimum Wax and the same thing would have happened. Not fair at all to imply that NXT had ANYTHING to do with your CC failure. It was an inferior re-paint on the hood. That's the only thing responsible. Nothing is going to make this look better other than a re-paint.....not Dawn, not Cleaner wax, not Optimum, not NXT.

[ffboy]

Re: How to remove old thick bubbling NXT Tech Wax 2?

I would just have it repainted it would cost more, but it should be better in the long run. Sanding will be needed to really even out that part of the car with paint problems. So I suggest just having it refinished.

BUt no, i really doubt there's anything in nxt 2 that would cause those clearcoat bubbles. It could be that the hood has been repainted before, if you got your car used, it may have been repainted previously but not with the quality needed to make the job last long.

[Markus Kleis]

Re: How to remove old thick bubbling NXT Tech Wax 2?

That is NOT wax. At all. That is a failing clearcoat 100% for sure, no doubt, no ifs ands or buts about it. Once a clearcoat fails that badly there is no saving it with any detailing product. The best you could manage would be to remove the rest of the clear and then you would have to very regularly polish and protect the hood as it will oxidize rapidly without the clearcoat.

Sorry to bring the bad news, but that needs a re-paint, not any sort of wax removal technique (not to mention a SINGLE wash with Dawn would have removed all remaining wax, but on top of that, I HIGHLY doubt any wax remained after several months of not washing or waxing as you described in that climate).

[ChevyNick]

Just to emphasize what everyone else is saying, that is NOT wax on your hood. Waxing did NOT cause that issue. What that is is clearcoat failure. The top coating of paint is falling off because my guess is the suns uv rays finally ate thru it. You need to have it repainted.

[ffboy]

Re: How to remove old thick bubbling NXT Tech Wax 2?

have the part repainted, thats the only way to go. no cleaner wax/ compound can restore that condition

[Michael Stoops]

Re: How to remove old thick bubbling NXT Tech Wax 2?

That is, without a doubt, clear coat failure to an extreme level. The clear is quite literally delaminating from the color coat beneath it and allowing moisture to get between the layers and cause the bubbling you're seeing.

Here's the situation, in a nutshell: the hood was repainted prior to your purchase 5 years ago, so the aftermarket paint job is at least that old. There are all kinds of things that can go wrong with aftermarket paint, and they won't always show immediately. In the Nevada sunshine, it's not uncommon for a repaint to fail in the time frame experienced here. It's not even a question of whether you took care of it or not; sometimes an issue happens in the painting process and the paint is destined for failure no matter what. We've seen it with factory paint, too.

Clear coats tend to fail in a couple of different ways, for the most part. One is through oxidation whereby the clear starts to break down and crumble. This can happen through extreme exposure to the elements - long term heavy rains or long term, relentless sunshine - and neglecting the finish by never waxing it can hasten this process. The breaking down or crumbling of the clear usually spreads fairly slowly and sometimes you can at least slightly improve the appearance through a mild buffing process, and then polishing and waxing regularly. But even so, once it's started it's just a matter of time before you need to repaint. The other failure process is a delaminating of the clear coat from the color coat and the subsequent peeling, which is what you're seeing with the repainted hood on your car. As mentioned above, this sort of failure is often the cause of an issue with the painting process, the quality of materials used or prep work done, etc. This sort of failure is usually a time bomb waiting to happen, and once it starts it spreads very quickly, just like the peeling skin of a sunburn that zbestwun2001 so eloquently described. And since that can usually be traced to a painting issue, it doesn't matter how often you waxed or polished, or what products and processes you used - it was destined to happen. Further, since you used all the same products on the rest of the car but it's only the repainted panel that's exhibiting this sort of failure, that's just further reinforcement of the type of problem you're experiencing.

So, your clear coat is literally peeling off of the color coat and there is just one real fix: sand it down and prep it for a repaint. Period. The color coat is not designed to be glossy and it will not hold a gloss, no matter how thoroughly you buff it out, no matter what wax you use. All of the gloss in this type of paint system comes from the clear coat so without it the underlying color coat is pretty dull. We'd rather you not spend any additional money or time trying to find something to make this look better. Take it to a few body shops and get some estimates on respraying the hood. That's the only way to fix it.

[SVT Lightning]

Re: How to remove old thick bubbling NXT Tech Wax 2?

Mr Bubble....you got advice from the PROS....Mark and Michael. They really know what they are talking about! Hope you get it fixed.

[Redefined]

Re: How to remove old thick bubbling NXT Tech Wax 2?

No doubt, the clear coat is failing. Nothing left to do but repaint. Im very sorry to see this happen to you.

[zbestwun2001]

Re: How to remove old thick bubbling NXT Tech Wax 2?

...and when it fails the clear turns cloudy before it starts to bubble and peel. That might be the wax you are referring to that's still there.