using Gold Class wax with Ult wash & wax...a query

[Focus RS]

Firstly, merry xmas to all.

Secondly, my question is, is it counterproductive to use gold class wax with ultimate wash and wax? I ask because gold class wax is a polishing wax, i.e. it has some cleaning ability, and will it remove the carnuaba wax left after using ultimate wash and wax? If so, it seems to me that I'm better off using Meg's#26, which has no cleaning agents and will not remove the deposit of wax left after using ultimate wash and wax. To put the question another way, if I want to use a carnuaba wax after ultimate wash and wax, is it better to use #26 instead of gold glass wax because gold glass would remove wax left after the wash?

For me at least, ultimate wash and wax is so good that it has superseded all the other Meg's washes. After using it, I choose whether I want to finish with #26, gold class wax or ultimate liquid wax. In terms of appearance, all three waxes work great, nevertheless, does the polishing ability of gold class wax remove the wax left after the wash, effectively canceling the benefit of using ultimate wash and wax in the first place?

[Murr1525]

Re: using Gold Class wax with Ult wash & wax...a query

I thinkg your question is "should I use products after UW&W?"

I would tend to use the Gold Class Wash, or other wash, if I was going to do any detailing after.

The UW&W is a bit expensive to use, and then use other products after.

[Redefined]

Re: using Gold Class wax with Ult wash & wax...a query

As stated above. It is counter productive in the sense, that it costs more. Howver, Ultimate wash and wax does not really have much "wax" in it to begin with.

[Focus RS]

Re: using Gold Class wax with Ult wash & wax...a query

1) I think your question is "should I use products after UW&W?"

2) I would tend to use the Gold Class Wash, or other wash, if I was going to do any detailing after.

3) The UW&W is a bit expensive to use, and then use other products after.

As far as I undertand my own question, I wasn't asking,

1) "should" I use products after UW&W because I clearly stated I want to finish with a carnuaba wax

2) nor was I asking which other wash you or I could use besides UW&W before a detailing. UW&W is clearly a better shampoo than GC wash. Going below this would compromise my standard of detailing

3) Nor was I asking for financial advice on the cost effectiveness of UW&W. This is highly presumptuous and only a notch below trolling.

While I appreciate you taking the time to reply, please learn to be relevant before posting

[Jossy92]

Re: using Gold Class wax with Ult wash & wax...a query

Have nice day.

[Markus Kleis]

Re: using Gold Class wax with Ult wash & wax...a query

As far as I undertand my own question, I wasn't asking,

1) "should" I use products after UW&W because I clearly stated I want to finish with a carnuaba wax

2) nor was I asking which other wash you or I could use besides UW&W before a detailing. UW&W is clearly a better shampoo than GC wash. Going below this would compromise my standard of detailing

3) Nor was I asking for financial advice on the cost effectiveness of UW&W. This is highly presumptuous and only a notch below trolling.

While I appreciate you taking the time to reply, please learn to be relevant before posting

This is exactly the type of reply that we absolutely don't tolerate on Meguiar's Online. What Murr posted was in no way intended to be rude or condescending, but instead was an attempt to add clarification and provide you with an answer.

We simply do not address people with this type of attitude as we at MOL like to think of ourselves as a very tight-knit community, almost a family.

Your reply either fully, or partially violated these rules:
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I am giving you a warning this time - but if there is a next time it will be a at least a temporary ban. Please stop and think before posting.

If you need a refresher on the forum rules, they can be found HERE.

[ffboy]

Re: using Gold Class wax with Ult wash & wax...a query

It can be counterproductive, since the cleaners although mild can still strip off the wax layer left by Ultimate wash and wax.

I don't think it would be that counter productive since the bigger issue will be the wax bonding issue since ultimate wash and wax does have wax in it that may affect the bonding of other waxes like the cleaner free m26. In fact, i don't think the wax content of ult wash and wax is sufficient to give the same feel and protection gold class wax can give. I say go use gold class wax even if it removes the wax left by the uw&w, it can remove the wax but replace it with a newer coat. You will still be left with a more solid coat of wax vs. the one left by UW&w

[Jossy92]

Re: using Gold Class wax with Ult wash & wax...a query

...... the bigger issue will be the wax bonding issue since ultimate wash and wax does have wax in it that may affect the bonding of other waxes like the cleaner free m26.

Made me realize that since waxes are made to bond to paint, why would I want to put a film of anything between my wax and the paint?

I had been using UW&W prior to UQW when I doing maintenance washes. Now, I get to use Gold Class again and reserve the UW&W for when UQW isn't feasible.

I always appreciate it when the bigger dogs help me without making me feel stupid. I do ask some dumb questions but have always been treated with respect by Murr.

Dumb questions are really good teaching tools for newbs So in away, this was a good post and saved me some $. So...thanks much to the OP.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: using Gold Class wax with Ult wash & wax...a query

There's nothing counterproductive here at all - Gold Class Carnauba Plus is a "polish wax" meaning it contains polishing oils, not an abrasive cleaner, so it won't remove a previous coat of wax. That said, using Ultimate Wash & Wax as a higher end maintenance wash is a great idea for maintaining your gloss levels, but there isn't enough protection left behind to really worry about whether or not you're removing it by applying another wax. Odds are that the action of the applicator pad will be aggressive enough to remove the small amount of wax left behind by the wash product, even if using a pure wax like M26. But every time you wash, which you obviously do more often than you wax, you'll be leaving behind a fresh bit of polymer/wax by the wash product, and helping to maintain the gloss levels.

Bonding is a non issue as well, no matter if you use a pure wax like M26, a polish wax like Gold Class, or a full synthetic like Ultimate Wax. At the end of the day the wax/sealant you choose is going to be based on criteria that matter the most to you. For some, that's Ultimate Wax, for others, Gold Class, and for still others it may be UW topped with GC. Or M26, or......


On a side note, let's all just keep in mind that we're all here to help on another and that at times intentions can be misconstrued on a forum due to the lack of tone and inflection in the things we say (type?). While Mat's response may not have been direct answers to the questions posed, it was based on his experiences and either type of response is appropriate. It may not necessarily have been what the OP was looking for, but odds are that would have come in time. In the long run, no harm, no foul. But let's all please keep this in mind when responding, and when taking in those responses.