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  • Swirls appeared gone but RETURNED in 1 week

    Last week I spent several hours "removing" swirls from 1/2 of a black 2010 Camaro. One rear fender took over 3 hours to get worked out because it was repainted a few months ago. The paint job was better than average but the body shop did their thing with a rotary and there were BAD spider web swirls in direct sunlight.

    I used a PC with a orange pad and Ultimate Compound first but the new paint seemed even harder than the OEM so I ended up going to a yellow LC pad to get the results I liked. The yellow pad eliminated the swirls and then I followed with a white LC pad and 205 polish to get the "tick" marks induced by the yellow pad.

    Under a halogen lamp the finish appeared flawless. I finished with Ultimate Wax and was really happy with the results.

    Now, I wash the car a week later and inspect the restored areas from a week ago. The car stills looks good at first but when I inspected it with the halogen...OMG, the same swirls are there as before, probably 60-70% reduced but still there. These are definitely not newly induced swirls, there are too many and they are dense. They looks just like the original rotary marks. So, the UC or the 205 filled them enough to make them look invisible even under the light when they really weren't entirely removed.


    Even so, I am shocked that the fillers in the polish could wash out from under the sealant with just one wash. Seems odd. I guess the only thing I could do different is an alcohol wipedown after the UC in order to check my progress. Very frustrating to have to redo the areas that seemed flawless.
    2010 Camaro SS RS (black), "OBSSEST"

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    Re: Swirls appeared gone but RETURNED in 1 week

    While halogen can be great most of the time, I highly, highly suggest testing your complete process step by step, and then in total in the SUN before moving to a wax/sealant. It's very possible you would have spotted the swirls/haze/holograms with direct sun.

    That said, in some cases a polish can hide smaller swirls/holograms. That is another reason to test with an ISO wipe if you are unsure of how the paint reacts to the product.
    My suspicion is that the yellow pad left some nasty hazing of its own, which would have been ugly yet relatively fine in nature, and thus the oil-rich M205 could have filled it.

    If your paint is particularly hard, you may need to follow with UC and a more medium-strength pad before switching to a finishing pad and M205.

    It gets a little tricky for us to help when you mix products though - obviously if you keep stuff in the same family it eliminates some of the variables. Keep us posted.

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    • #3
      Re: Swirls appeared gone but RETURNED in 1 week

      I have a tough time checking my progress in the sun. It's never in the right overhead position for the panel I just worked on. It often takes several days of parking in various places before I get a good view of how all the panels look in the sun.

      I do have some 105 that I haven't spent as much time testing. The first time I used it I felt like it dusted like crazy compared to the UC with similar results, so I kind of forgot it and moved on. I have started using detail spray to moisten my pad after every 2 sq ft. or so, maybe I should try the 105 again with this technique and see if it solves the dusting issue.
      2010 Camaro SS RS (black), "OBSSEST"

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        Re: Swirls appeared gone but RETURNED in 1 week

        As long as you can get the sun to have some form of direct shot on the car (ie see the direct reflection of the sun itself), you should be able to move your body/head until you get the proper angle, rather than the car itself. You should be looking at the area immediately surrounding the sun's reflection (sometimes I put UV sunglasses on because it can be too bright, but they don't stop be from finding the swirls).

        If you still can't figure that out, then your next best bet is to obtain a 3M sun Gun (fairly pricey, though), or some other metal halide light source.

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        • #5
          Re: Swirls appeared gone but RETURNED in 1 week

          I'm sorry that you're experiencing this problem. I know it can stink after putting all of that hard work and time into correcting it. One thing I would like you to reflect on is the way in which you wash your vehicle. Sometimes, we can put swirls in our own finish without knowing or meaning too. Old towels, rags, wash mits, buckets, water blades can all contain dirt and contaminants if they're not all washed or stored properly. I know I had the same problem as you, and I eventually changed my wash/dry method. I found this video REALLY helpful...http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...56069207401372
          I know it's kinda basic stuff, but it really made a big difference.

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          • #6
            Re: Swirls appeared gone but RETURNED in 1 week

            How do you wash your car?

            What do you use to dry your car?

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            • #7
              Re: Swirls appeared gone but RETURNED in 1 week

              I use 2 buckets with grit guards. I also rinse the mitt with a spray nozzle AND bucket rinse after every panel. Kind of overkill but makes me feel good.

              I'm not concerned with my wash technique so much. In this instance i am confident that the swirls HAVE reappeared because they are only on the 1/4 panel and rear bumper that was repainted and rotary buffed. My other panels are nice and generally only get minor correction work after several months.
              2010 Camaro SS RS (black), "OBSSEST"

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