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    Is my paint finish ruined?

    About 18 months ago I bought a 2002 Peugeot 206 gti with a magnificent burgundy paint finish. My friends thought the car was new it looked so well maintained! After 6 months I purchased Ultimate Compound to remove a bird poop stain from the bonnet and Tech Wax 2 for overall protection to maintain the rich lustre (as advised by the auto shop who viewed the car).

    After applying the UC to the bonnet I then applied TW2 over the entire car. The bird poop didn't really go but the overall finish seemed good. However, a few weeks later the bonnet and roof began to show white marks, until eventually over the following few months the paintwork on the roof and bonnet became extremely dulled and large white circles appeared on the bonnet.
    I appeal to anyone who may be able to help. It seems I may have to get a repaint because the finish just gets worse over time. The car has been viewed by a Meguires Rep who claims it's oxidisation and not their product. I have never seen a car oxidise in two weeks!
    I realize many on here have had great success with Meguires products...that's great! ...but for me I am left with a car that everyone looks at and asks what on earth has happened to my paintwork. Perhaps if I lived in the United States instead of Australia the company may have looked after me and offered support instead of turning their backs and claiming "our product would never do that!".
    I have told my story at Auto shops, hoping to find a solution, but they say they don't know how to fix the problem...they also tell me they will now not use Meguires on their own vehicle having heard my story and seen my car...and yet they sell the products!!
    The whole situation has left me very upset. I am not posting this to demeanor the Company...but rather reaching out as a final desperate measure hoping for an answer.Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou
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    Re: Is my paint finish ruined?

    If it is oxidation the Ultimate compound should clean it right up. Try a test spot and see what happens. Some pictures for us on the web would help too. It almost sounds like clear coat failure. Could they have given this car a hard buffing to get the paint looking so good when you bought it?

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    • #3
      Re: Is my paint finish ruined?

      to MOL.

      Firstly, pictures of what you're talking about would greatly help. The Meguiars products you used would not have caused the problems you describe.

      I think Allen has hit the nail on the head - it's common for cars to be buffed with a glaze or equivalent to get them to look nice prior to selling them. The glaze will then wear off, revealing the true condition of the paint underneath.

      If it's oxidation, then it can be saved and we can guide on how to go about it. If it's clear coat failure, then I'm afraid you're up for a paint job.

      Again, post up some pictures if you can...
      Originally posted by Blueline
      I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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      • #4
        Re: Is my paint finish ruined?

        Thanks Allen and Mike for your comments. I purchased the vehicle privately. I have tried to add photos to this post but it only seems to allow images from a URL link....not add photos from my PC??

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        • #5
          Re: Is my paint finish ruined?

          Try to upload pictures into the gallery by clicking "Gallery" and then "Upload Photos" on the right side. Make sure they're no larger than 800 pixels.

          Once you complete that, come here to the thread and hit the tool that has the mountain and sunscape, "Insert Image" and paste the Image URL. You can get the image URL by right clicking on the photo (in the gallery) and copying it then pasting it here. Good luck!

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          • #6
            Re: Is my paint finish ruined?



            The above photo shows the vehicle on the day it was purchased. Paintwork appeared to be in excellent condition. I paid for a professional inspection of the vehicle by the Royal Automobile Association (here in South Australia) who gave a report on engine, tyres, paintwork etc. No significant fault was found with the paintwork.



            The bonnet began changing in appearance after about two weeks. This picture shows damage after approx 6 mths.





            This shows the roof damage. Notice the narrow strip around the inside of the sunroof tracks where the finish has dulled more. This is where i applied the Tech Wax2 carefully around the edges so as not to touch the black tracking. The white streaks took about 2 months to appear.




            Another roof photo showing the damaged paintwork.


            I find it hard to believe that the paint on the vehicle was like this before I purchased it, and the previous owner was able to cover it up. Sure, I understand there are products that can hide problems, but I doubt this could be hidden without a respray...just my personal opinion though.

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            • #7
              Re: Is my paint finish ruined?

              Thanks for your help Carolina08 - You're a gem! I have posted a few photos...hope they work out ok ...just waiting for them to be approved and added here...

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              • #8
                Re: Is my paint finish ruined?

                It looks like oxidation, but it is hard to tell. Do a test spot with the UC and if it cleans up, then it probably is oxidation. Have you washed the car at all? If so, what type of soap were you using? Did you go through a drive through car wash? Any further details will help significantly.

                I once put swirls in my paint just to see what it looked like.
                I don't always detail cars, but when I do, I prefer Meguiar's.
                Remove swirls my friends.

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                • #9
                  Re: Is my paint finish ruined?

                  A bit hard to tell, but I'm going to say oxidation too.

                  Is that single stage or base coat / clear coat paint? I assume it would be BC/CC. When you applied the UC, was there paint transfer onto your applicator i.e. did it go red?
                  Originally posted by Blueline
                  I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Is my paint finish ruined?

                    Good advice davey. I would do the same, try UC or even scratch x on a small spot and see if you get paint colour transfer. If so, I'd safely guess it's oxidisation. I just finished a Red Hot Monaro this weekend that was pretty much oxidised all over, especially the spoiler, roof bonnet etc, basically gone pink. UC on the DA, then Deep Crystal pure polish, then NXT 2.0 wax and the car come up brand new. All swirls, most scratches and all oxidisation gone. I'd give it a go by hand on small spot and see what happens. Chime in for more help if you need it mate.
                    Keeping your car immaculate is a reflection of yourself.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Is my paint finish ruined?

                      Also, sorry but is this oxidisation o the roof and bonnet only? I'm asking as maybe, the top surfaces may have been repaired in a previous life, possibly from hail damage etc.

                      Try the UC and see if you get transfer.
                      Keeping your car immaculate is a reflection of yourself.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Is my paint finish ruined?

                        Thanks to all of you for your comments....I turned to this site because I wasn't getting anywhere in Australia!

                        AndrewC - I haven't been through a car wash. I used a car wash soap that was not expensive or top of the line. The Rep suggested at one point that there could have been a reaction there. The photos I have displayed are 6 mths old. The bonnet and roof look worse now. There was a 6 inch white circle on the bonnet and the Rep used UC (i think) on that area and claimed he was able to remove it, however about 2 weeks later the circle appeared again but this time much larger! It is night time now but tomorrow I will add a current photo of the bonnet etc.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Is my paint finish ruined?

                          Thanks davey g-force....I thought the car had a clear coat but the Rep suggested it doesn't....then again whatever was there has been removed in this whole ordeal! The sides seem to show a clear coat but I'm not an expert (as you can tell!). When I applied the UC and Tech Wax2 I know I followed the instructions to every detail ie not polishing in sunlight or extreme temperatures and doing sections at a time as instructed on the box. At no point have I had red transfer on any applicator, and I used the small round applicator provided for the Tech Wax 2. When I finished the process there were no signs of any problems until after a couple of weeks...then gradual deterioration on surfaces facing the sun ie roof, bonnet and top edges of doors.

                          If the theory that the previous owner used a product to hide such a bad finish is correct, then the same theory would suggest that I can apply the same product he did to restore the finish to how it was when I purchased the vehicle. I would call that a miracle product...hence my resistance to believe that theory!
                          If the paintwork has oxidised then why was it perfect for 6 mths and then suddenly deteriorates after using the Meguires products? While I am sure the products are brilliant I tend to think I have just been unlucky and a reaction has taken place. I am convinced however that if I hadn't used the products my car would be looking the same as it did for the 6 mths prior to applying them.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Is my paint finish ruined?

                            Markbaja - Thanks mate. I hope I have answered your question in previous post. Cheers.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Is my paint finish ruined?

                              It looks like you have some damage from either acid rain or hard water etching. In my opinion I really do not feel you can blame the mequiar's products for your problem.

                              On the roof pic, you have spots all over, so I do not believe that was caused by bird
                              droppings, nor do I think it is from oxidation either. Sometimes etching goes too deep,
                              and the damage is beyond repair. I know that is not what you want to hear, but it is just my opinion.

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