Holograms from using Meguiar's pads?

[tinman2]

I've been detailing my rides for almost 2 years now using exclusively 3M products. My machine is a local rotary and more recently a better rupes rotary. I've been satisfied with my results and I am sure that I have mastered the use of the rotary. The problem now is when I discoved Meguiar and (not to flame 3M) but I find it more easier to use plus the fact that 3M has no sealants in their line. I now have #83, #80, #9, Goldclass wax, #26 paste wax and #20 polymer sealant. Recently I've purchased the red cutting pad and the yellow polishing pad. I can't seem to master the technique in using the pads without inducing holograms. any tips?




by the way, I've tried priming the pad, speeding up (1,500 rpm) slowing down (1000 rpm), using ample product, less product, more product with no success.

[Tim Lingor]

Hey,

This thread may help:

Need HELP! - How to avoid holograms?

Tim

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Holograms on megs pads

Originally posted by tinman2
Recently I've purchased the red cutting pad and the yellow polishing pad. I can't seem to master the technique in using the pads without inducing holograms. any tips?

Definitely read through the thread Tim listed, hopefully it will help you to understand the science behind creating a swirl free finish.

Also read through this thread,

How to avoid swirls and holograms?

Mike

[tripper_11]

Hello tinman2,

Where in the Philippines?

Anyway, just to give some help, have you tried polishing (with the rotary) using "circular" motion instead of back and forth, up and down?

I had that same problem too. Before, I was also using 3M PI-III compounds and polishes, and doesn't encounter much of this holograms even on Megs Yellow pad. Comparing 3M PI-III RC and MG with Megs #83 and #80 respectively, I find the latter products to be wetter.

I still use the 3M polishes especially the new PI-3000 line side by side with Megs.

But going back to your problem, try to evaluate and determine the direction of the holograms. If it forms like a pattern similar to the movement of your pad in the form of a line, it could be caused by the pad not touching the surface evenly. With that keep the pad flat and try the circular motion instead of back and forth motion.

If the holograms don't appear in the form of lines, or should it appear in a round or oval form, then I suspect you're using too much product or you're trying to buff it till dry.

The 3M polishes can be buffed dry, but not with the Megs polishes since the latter contains more TS oils for lubrication. I suggest that you stop buffing when the #83 or #80 begins to dry. You'll notice that when you start to feel that the pad is getting a hard time buffing the surface. At that time, you buffed it dry already. So before that point, you must stop buffing and use your dedicated MF to remove the product.

Take note that the 3M and Megs polishes act very differently. The 3M polishes can buffed to until it dust, whereas Megs cannot.

Hope this helps.

[CARSGroup]

Hi Tinman2,
Part of the reason you are now seeing holograms using the meguiars products with cutting pads is also because Meguiars does not use any fillers or anything in thier compounds - you see a true finish - it has been my experience that 3m does have fillers and things to help hide the defects. I have used both products side by side and found that if I cleaned the side I used 3m compounds on - the light swirls and holograms showed up. You might try following your compounding with Meguiar's swirl free polish with the yellow or tan pad while gradually lightening up with the pressure on the pads as you finish. ....just my 2 cents

Lenny

[tripper_11]

Megs compounds and polishes alleged to have been containing some fillers have been debated for a long time.

The old 3M SMR is like 100% filler! But the 3M Perfect-It III Rubbing Compound and Machine Glaze are filler free (no minerals oils which are present only in the old 3M SMR).

If you will notice (as I notice this) the finish left by 3M PI-III Machine Glaze is not as glossy as the Megs #80 Speed Glaze. That's because the latter contains more TS oils and I really like it for that.

I'm not bashing either products. I need them both. The 3M non-filling abrasive and the Megs #80 abrasive polish (which are alleged to contain TS oils, giving a glossy look.)

I'm still a big fan of #80 for its glossy look. But I make sure I compound or polish with a more aggressive product that contains nothing of that Megs TS oils before polishing with #80. Just to ensure that the finish is 95 % perfect. The remaining 5% will be taken care by #80.

It's just a personal preference.

[tinman2]

Tripper_11 malabon po. Where did you get your 3M 3000 line? I get mine from roosevelt and wala pa sila nung bagong line.

thanks for the replies, will try the tips and will give an update. thanks again.

[tinman2]

I cant seem to grasp the idea that using too much product will induce holograms. why so?

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by tinman2
I cant seem to grasp the idea that using too much product will induce holograms. why so?

Which product are you referring to?

You will never produce a 100% swirl free finish with a compound and a cutting pad, (foam or wool), when the results are viewed in bright light like sunlight. You are expecting too much from the process.

If you're referring to a compound, then too much product on the surface means a lot of diminishing abrasives to break down in an environment that is too slippery to enable the diminishing abrasive to break down. (The lubricating film).

Did you read through the links Tim and I listed above?

Mike

[tinman2]

im sorry i haven't read the links at the time of my last post. now I know.

to clarify things, this is my detail order.

wash (eagle one car shampoo)
meg's clay
#83 with Megs maroon cutting pad
#80 with megs yellow polishing pad.
#20

still cant get those holograms out. but if I substitute 3M waffle pads and still using #83 and #80, I get perfect results. how come?

[tinman2]

ff up question. I would be trying various technique with the Megs pads today. What I would like to know is would I be doing too much harm on my paint (by the way my ride is repainted with urethane paint a year ago-its pretty thick), by repeatedly using #83 with red ff by #80 with yellow. thanks

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by tinman2
but if I substitute 3M waffle pads and still using #83 and #80, I get perfect results. how come?

I can't tell you why. Personally, I prefer flat pads. If anything, I would expect the waffle style pads to increase swirling from the high points on the pad having increased presence on the surface at any contact pressure.

Spend some time and read through the links Tim and I provided. There is a lot of good information posted in them when it comes to creating a swirl free finish.

Do you have a dual action polisher?

Mike

[tripper_11]

tinman,

the waffle pad feels like the wool pad. the foam pad is very different. if you're new to the foam pad, take a little time to practice.

If you get the hang of it, you'll love Megs foam pads. The cutting pad (red) seems more effective in what it's supposed to be used, --cutting, than the waffle pads or wool pads. Megs polishing pad is a killer. I have also been using the 3M waffle pads before, but now I prefer the Megs foam pads.


anyway, check your Private Message (PM). I tried explaining it.

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by tinman2
ff up question. I would be trying various technique with the Megs pads today. What I would like to know is would I be doing too much harm on my paint (by the way my ride is repainted with urethane paint a year ago-its pretty thick), by repeatedly using #83 with red ff by #80 with yellow. thanks

Chances are no, but it always comes down to your paint thickness.

Question: Why are you using the M83 with the cutting pad?

How about trying the M83 with a polishing pad and then follow that with the M80 with it's own polishing pad.

Better yet, follow the M83/W-8006 with the rotary with the M80/W-8006 on a dual action polisher.

Then go to wax.

Mike

[tinman2]

im using 83 with cutting bcoz it is the first time my ride is being detailed and there are lots of heavy swirls and scratches. Nope I dont have a pc but my cousin from LA promised to send me one next month.