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**Murr1525** · May 12, 2011, 07:57 PM

Re: wax for a new car

Do you want the scratches out? Lot more effort if you do.

**brendan1234** · May 12, 2011, 07:59 PM

Re: wax for a new car

yes I would like them out

**Murr1525** · May 12, 2011, 08:14 PM

Re: wax for a new car

Well, what kind of car is it?

In general, if you want the swirls out, you will need to do something like:

1. Wash - Gold Class Wash, 2 buckets, good towels, mitt, etc
2. Clay - Smooth Surface Clay kit
3. Clean - Ultimate Compound & Ultimate Polish
5. Wax - Nxt 2.0 or Ult. Wax. 2 thin coats are best.

6. Maintain - UQW after future washes.

But a fair bit of effort is needed to remove swirls by hand. Best not to plan on more than a panel or two a day. You have to work the product in, not just spread it around. Always do a test spot first, dont do the whole car and find out it didnt work or soemthing.

**brendan1234** · May 13, 2011, 06:43 AM

Re: wax for a new car

Originally posted by Murr1525 View Post

Well, what kind of car is it?

In general, if you want the swirls out, you will need to do something like:

1. Wash - Gold Class Wash, 2 buckets, good towels, mitt, etc
2. Clay - Smooth Surface Clay kit
3. Clean - Ultimate Compound & Ultimate Polish
5. Wax - Nxt 2.0 or Ult. Wax. 2 thin coats are best.

6. Maintain - UQW after future washes.

But a fair bit of effort is needed to remove swirls by hand. Best not to plan on more than a panel or two a day. You have to work the product in, not just spread it around. Always do a test spot first, dont do the whole car and find out it didnt work or soemthing.

Thanks, (I have the 3 step, can I replace the "ultimate compound" with the step 2 polish?)

1. wash - ultimate wash and wax
2. step 1 paint cleaner (but it's new car, so i think i might skip this)
3. step 2 polish
4. wax nxt 2.0 or ult wax

what is UQW?

**brendan1234** · May 13, 2011, 06:48 AM

Re: wax for a new car

it is a 2011 black mica mazda 3 hatchback

brand new!

although the paint lacks luster and seems flat probably from sitting outside dealer lot

**brendan1234** · May 13, 2011, 06:49 AM

Re: wax for a new car

how do i add pictures to this thread?

I only see the thumbnail link

**Murr1525** · May 13, 2011, 07:06 AM

Re: wax for a new car

Originally posted by brendan1234 View Post

Thanks, (I have the 3 step, can I replace the "ultimate compound" with the step 2 polish?)

1. wash - ultimate wash and wax
2. step 1 paint cleaner (but it's new car, so i think i might skip this)
3. step 2 polish
4. wax nxt 2.0 or ult wax

what is UQW?

To remove swirls/scratches/water etching, you have to remove a bit of paint, to level the surface out.

So you would need to use products stronger than the 3-step system, and some effort working them in.

Thats why I was asking above, because it changes the products needed, the amount of work, etc. Using something like the Step 2 Polish and a wax may hide them a little, but thats about it.

I would certainly plan on claying and the paint cleaner step if you want it shined back up.

**Murr1525** · May 13, 2011, 07:08 AM

Re: wax for a new car

Originally posted by brendan1234 View Post

how do i add pictures to this thread?

I only see the thumbnail link

You would want to upload the pic somewhere, your gallery here is good, then get the link and use the "Insert Image" icon (the yellow square with the mountain thingy in it).

**wifpd4** · May 13, 2011, 07:45 AM

Re: wax for a new car

Brendan, I just want to echo what Murr had stated:

Originally posted by Murr1525 View Post

...
I would certainly plan on claying and the paint cleaner step if you want it shined back up.

You mention the car

...has been sitting outside for a long time...it was really dusty...

Starting out right means a good thorough washing following recommended procedures and using high quality products like Gold Class or Ultimate Wash and Wax automotive soap. Follow that with a complete clay-barring.

Having a clean and smooth foundation upon which to build the rest of your project is key to the final car's surface appearance. Whether sitting in the sales lot, traveling on a transport trailer or riding in a train car, surface contamination with affect the final outcome. Remove it with a clay bar and proper lubrication.

Take time to view the videos:
http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=134

Good luck and enjoy your black car.

**MikeEast** · May 13, 2011, 11:47 AM

Re: wax for a new car

Echo the previous comments - I was just by the local dodge dealer and was complimented several times on my Dakota R/T by salesmen.

I asked each of them to feel (back of the hand, no rings please) the difference between my not-really-done-yet truck and a brand new Challenger nearby. They were impressed at how much nicer the truck was and quite appalled at the condition of the Challenger. It was very rough and dirty feeling, even though one guy said it had been 'prepped just the other day'.

I may go back and rub it in a bit - maybe drum up some business?

Mike

**brendan1234** · May 16, 2011, 09:19 AM

Re: wax for a new car

seriously...

this is my first new car...always thought that a "new" car would have great paint (my friend asked me why I needed to wax a new car)

dealer said he would "prep" it for me, which I think he just ran it through an auto wash because the paint was still really dull

BUT...I have a question...

I work full time and go to school at night, so time is not something i have a lot of...

I would like to do the step 1, 2 and 3...and finish off with some ultimate wax
and possibly even the compounding everyone is advising...

but the QUESTION is...can i first just put the ultimate wax on for now (to protect it)? does putting on the last step first, mean that I can't go back and do step 1 2 and 3 again the next time I wash and detail my black car?

i don't understand how wax...and polishes work...

**brendan1234** · May 16, 2011, 09:23 AM

Re: wax for a new car

Originally posted by MikeEast View Post

Echo the previous comments - I was just by the local dodge dealer and was complimented several times on my Dakota R/T by salesmen.

I asked each of them to feel (back of the hand, no rings please) the difference between my not-really-done-yet truck and a brand new Challenger nearby. They were impressed at how much nicer the truck was and quite appalled at the condition of the Challenger. It was very rough and dirty feeling, even though one guy said it had been 'prepped just the other day'.

I may go back and rub it in a bit - maybe drum up some business?

Mike

u should def go and work something out with them...but I guess most new car buyers don't understand that they may not be getting the best paint even though the car is new...

so it's probably cheaper for the dealer to "prep" the car by running it through the auto wash next door...

**brendan1234** · May 16, 2011, 09:44 AM

Re: wax for a new car

what is the difference between polish and compound?

I have the dc2 (step 2 polish)...do i have still have to buy the ultimate compound?

**Merlin** · May 16, 2011, 02:19 PM

Re: wax for a new car

Just a FYI

A friend of mine just purchased a brand new black Camaro.
Before it got delivered to the dealer he told them DO NOT WASH it.
He proudly brought it to me for a new car wash and wax treatment.
It was COVERED from top to bottom with DISO scratches & swirl marks.
The paint was trashed. It had less than 50 miles on it & he just paid 45k cash!
I held up the Brinkman and you could see his heart sink.

It took two of us all day with two DA machines to polish out the paint.
We used the DA MF cutting pads and D300 followed by Menz PO106.
(nothing against D301 and the DA polishing pads. I've just never used them)
After that I applied 2 coats of #21 and 1 coat of #26. It's now clear and wet.
It's not all about the wax...It's about preparing the paint BEFORE application!

I sure do like seeing the faces when I present glistening polished paint.

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