DA Microfiber Correction system vs UC with foam pads?

[LAfirefytr]

I was just wondering if the new DA correction system is more aggressive and able to get better results than using the Ultimate Compound along with the Meguiars foam pads. I just recently went from using my old system of 83/80 and older style pads to using UC and new style pads with G100 but haven't been able to achieve the results I has hoped for on my 2007 Accord that I just purchased. I've done 4 applications of the UC followed by 205 and there are still some places where I can see where the scratches were when I use a light and get at the proper angle. The paint is cleaned up and shines and the defects are somehat removed but in many places the defects are still seen under the light and direct sunlight. So, I wanted to see if the new system may be a little more aggressive and remove more of the defects that I have on my Accord.

[greg0303]

Re: DA Microfiber Correction system vs UC with foam pads?

Do you remember if those scratches were deep enough to make your fingernail stock in them? It's an indication that they may not be fully leveled without risking full clear coat removal.

D300 with MF cutting disc will give you more cut. Try a test spot with D300/ D301 to see if it works on your paint. Correction compound may leave some haze behind but Finishing Wax should clear it up nicely.

DA MF Correction System is close to rotary buffer paint removal ability.

Sometimes by just rounding up deep scratch edges will improve light reflection enough to make them almost invisible.

Remember to set the DA speed properly: 4,800 opm for D300 and 3,800 opm for D301.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: DA Microfiber Correction system vs UC with foam pads?

I was just wondering if the new DA correction system is more aggressive and able to get better results than using the Ultimate Compound along with the Meguiars foam pads.

Very much so.

As Greg points out, we recommend using 4800opm for the defect correction step with D300 and the cutting disc and 3800opm for the D301 finishing wax. On the G110v2 those are speed setting 4 & 3, respectively, but since you have a G100 you would want to go up one speed setting for both.

But you do need to consider how deep these stubborn defects are. If you can feel them with your fingernail it may not be totally safe to fully remove them as doing so means removal of too much surrounding clear coat.

[LAfirefytr]

Re: DA Microfiber Correction system vs UC with foam pads?

Do you remember if those scratches were deep enough to make your fingernail stop in them? It's an indication that they may not be fully leveled without risking full clear coat removal.

Yes, I did the fingernail scratch test and the scratch was not deep enough to cause my nail to catch, so I knew I should be able to work it enough to correct the defect with the right product.

[LAfirefytr]

Re: DA Microfiber Correction system vs UC with foam pads?

As Greg points out, we recommend using 4800opm for the defect correction step with D300 and the cutting disc and 3800opm for the D301 finishing wax. On the G110v2 those are speed setting 4 & 3, respectively, but since you have a G100 you would want to go up one speed setting for both.

Thanks Michael, I thought the new system would allow for more defect removal but just wanted to verify before purchasing it. I have read all the information contained in the reviews and How To section and have made a note of the recommended rpm settings as well as importance of cleaning the pad religiously while working with the system.

[Merlin]

Re: DA Microfiber Correction system vs UC with foam pads?

Correct me if I'm mistaken but I believe the order of aggressiveness for removal is:

M105 / Cutting foam pad
D300/ MF DA cutting disc
Ultimate Compound

[Michael Stoops]

Re: DA Microfiber Correction system vs UC with foam pads?

Correct me if I'm mistaken but I believe the order of aggressiveness for removal is:

M105 / Cutting foam pad
D300/ MF DA cutting disc
Ultimate Compound

Possibly.

First off, if you're talking about our foam cutting disc, we don't actually recommend it on a D/A. Even so, M105 on a foam cutting disc may not really give you that much more cut than D300/DMC5 disc, but it will certainly give you a lot more dust and it won't be any where near as easy to wipe off in most cases.

[Merlin]

Re: DA Microfiber Correction system vs UC with foam pads?

correct me if i'm mistaken but i believe the order of aggressiveness for removal is:

M105 / cutting foam pad
d300/ mf da cutting disc
ultimate compound

possibly.

First off, if you're talking about our foam cutting disc, we don't actually recommend it on a d/a. Even so, m105 on a foam cutting disc may not really give you that much more cut than d300/dmc5 disc, but it will certainly give you a lot more dust and it won't be any where near as easy to wipe off in most cases.

Agreed!
To clarify...

I use M105 with a Lake Country 5.5" orange flat pad and KBM or Surbuf (if needed).
To me this is the most aggressive product but definitely not the easiest & cleanest!
Since I learned of M105/M205-KBM I've been using these products with great results.

DA MF system - Easily removes swirls and it is very clean and easy to work with.
Although, IMHO not as aggressive as M105 it has become my new go-to favorite!
I have been using a dry "Bug Sponge" to clean the pad between each section pass.

Ultimate Compound - I feel UC is not as aggressive as the other two products above.
I understand UC is based on the M105 technology...M105 being the most aggressive.
This is another brand NEW "much cleaner & easier" product to work with than M105.
It does and excellent job of removing defects and I'm very pleased with its results.

MY CONCLUSION:
M105 - Although it does and excellent job, it can be the most difficult to work with.
DA MF system - My new favorite go-to product. It's neat, clean, fast & easy to use!
Ultimate Compound - Again another winner! Longer work time and very clean to use.

Three outstanding industry leading products. This is just MHO of the aggressive levels.
Don't get me wrong. I'm glad I have all three and all three have a place on my shelf.

Again these are just my personal thoughts. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: DA Microfiber Correction system vs UC with foam pads?

Again these are just my personal thoughts. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

No, we'd say your observations and thoughts are pretty much spot on. Remember, though, that M105 was really developed for rotary use and we ended up tweaking it slightly to make it a bit more user friendly on the DA. But we could only go so far without losing it's ability to do what it does best - compound out severe defects and sanding marks via rotary buffer.

[Homer]

Re: DA Microfiber Correction system vs UC with foam pads?

Hey Mike long time no talk. What do you think the results will be like if I used the MF DA Cutting Disc with UC and MF DA Finishing Disc with UW? I really want to keep the whole thing at a 2 step process and from what I read D301 really doesnt offer that much protection.

[RDVT4ME]

Re: DA Microfiber Correction system vs UC with foam pads?

The DA microfiber correction compound wipes off extremely easy as compared to M105. This is a significant help when you spend an entire day polishing a vehicle. The DA microfiber system is one of the best things to happen to the world of polishing cars.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: DA Microfiber Correction system vs UC with foam pads?

Hey Mike long time no talk. What do you think the results will be like if I used the MF DA Cutting Disc with UC and MF DA Finishing Disc with UW? I really want to keep the whole thing at a 2 step process and from what I read D301 really doesnt offer that much protection.

This really depends on how the paint responds to the initial cutting step. On very delicate paints some haze can be created and D301 with the MF disc will do a better job of removing that haze than UW would. It's darn near impossible to say just what the outcome would be here as there are far too many variables. At the risk of sounding like a cop-out, all we say is "try it and see".