What is the right pad for my problem??

[Jefri Lay]

Hi guys, I have some issues here with my black color car (you can see at my thread http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/sho...t=47876&page=4) I've done some work on my car using hands the result is not too satisfying. Now i want to buy DA Polisher to make my black color car perfect because there are still some swirls and light scratches on it.
So these are some questions:
1. What is the right Pad to remove light swirls and light scratch?
2. What is the right compound to remove light swirls and light scratch?
3. Can I apply using M84 and then M80?
4. If I can use M84 & M80, What is the right pad for this M84 & M80?
5. Can I use the same pad on M84 & M80?
6. Please tell me the speed I have to use for this correction?
I think that's all for now guys. Looking forward to your responds. And thanks in advance for everything.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: What is the right pad for my problem??

First off, before jumping into use of a new D/A polisher, you might want to read through D/A Buffing 101 – An Introduction to the G110v2 and similar tools
for some good background info first.

To answer your questions directly:

Q. What is the right Pad to remove light swirls and light scratch?
A. You'll want a foam polishing pad like our W8207 for the defect removal process, then maybe step down to a foam finishing pad like our W9207 for final polishing. A fresh finishing pad is then used for wax application.

Q. What is the right compound to remove light swirls and light scratch?
A. Really the best all around product is going to be our Ultimate Compound. It's derived from our M105 Ultra Cut Compound but it's much more user friendly on a D/A (longer buffing cycle, less dust) while still providing enough cut to remove the defects you're dealing with.


Q. Can I apply using M84 and then M80?
A. With the D/A you really want to stay away from M84 - it simply won't have the power to break down the very coarse abrasives in it and you will end up scouring the paint. M80, on the other hand, is fantastic on the D/A. In fact, since you already have it we would suggest you do a test spot with it first before picking up another product. It could very well be aggressive enough to remove the defects, and since it is very rich in polishing oils it can do wonders for the gloss level of your black paint.

Q. If I can use M84 & M80, What is the right pad for this M84 & M80?
A. You will want a foam polishing pad with the M80 (and you still want to put down the bottle of M84 and leave it alone!!)

Q. Can I use the same pad on M84 & M80?
A. It's never a good idea to use the same pad for multiple products as you will cross contaminate the pad. In this specific case you would end up with some aggressive abrasives from the M84 mixing with the M80 and potentially result in a compromised finish. So even if you picked up Ultimate Compound and followed it with M80, you would want seperate pads for each. But beyond that, you don't want to buff out the entire car with a single pad. We would recommend at least 3 pads for each product for the entire car. The exception to this comes when waxing the car as a single finishing pad is more than sufficient for that process.

Q. Please tell me the speed I have to use for this correction?
A. Generally you want to start at speed 5 for defect correction and then drop down to speed 3 for your wax application. All of that, along with guidance on pressure, arm speed over the paint, etc are spelled out in the article we linked to above.

Overall, though, we know you'll find using the D/A to be not only a much faster way to achieving the results you want, but you'll get better results overall, and you'll have more fun getting there.

[Jefri Lay]

Re: What is the right pad for my problem??

First off, before jumping into use of a new D/A polisher, you might want to read through D/A Buffing 101 – An Introduction to the G110v2 and similar tools
for some good background info first.

To answer your questions directly:

Q. What is the right Pad to remove light swirls and light scratch?
A. You'll want a foam polishing pad like our W8207 for the defect removal process, then maybe step down to a foam finishing pad like our W9207 for final polishing. A fresh finishing pad is then used for wax application.

Q. What is the right compound to remove light swirls and light scratch?
A. Really the best all around product is going to be our Ultimate Compound. It's derived from our M105 Ultra Cut Compound but it's much more user friendly on a D/A (longer buffing cycle, less dust) while still providing enough cut to remove the defects you're dealing with.


Q. Can I apply using M84 and then M80?
A. With the D/A you really want to stay away from M84 - it simply won't have the power to break down the very coarse abrasives in it and you will end up scouring the paint. M80, on the other hand, is fantastic on the D/A. In fact, since you already have it we would suggest you do a test spot with it first before picking up another product. It could very well be aggressive enough to remove the defects, and since it is very rich in polishing oils it can do wonders for the gloss level of your black paint.

Q. If I can use M84 & M80, What is the right pad for this M84 & M80?
A. You will want a foam polishing pad with the M80 (and you still want to put down the bottle of M84 and leave it alone!!)

Q. Can I use the same pad on M84 & M80?
A. It's never a good idea to use the same pad for multiple products as you will cross contaminate the pad. In this specific case you would end up with some aggressive abrasives from the M84 mixing with the M80 and potentially result in a compromised finish. So even if you picked up Ultimate Compound and followed it with M80, you would want seperate pads for each. But beyond that, you don't want to buff out the entire car with a single pad. We would recommend at least 3 pads for each product for the entire car. The exception to this comes when waxing the car as a single finishing pad is more than sufficient for that process.

Q. Please tell me the speed I have to use for this correction?
A. Generally you want to start at speed 5 for defect correction and then drop down to speed 3 for your wax application. All of that, along with guidance on pressure, arm speed over the paint, etc are spelled out in the article we linked to above.

Overall, though, we know you'll find using the D/A to be not only a much faster way to achieving the results you want, but you'll get better results overall, and you'll have more fun getting there.

Hi Mike,
the answers and explanations you gave me are clear and crisp. I thank you so much for this guidance. Really this forum helps me much and gave me many new friends, I'll send you some picture after I get DA Polisher. and I think I will go only with M80 and do you think by only using M80 will remove the defect I'm dealing with? See you and keep in touch

Best Regards,
Jefri Lay

[Michael Stoops]

Re: What is the right pad for my problem??

M80 is pretty mild stuff, but since you already have it we suggest giving it a try first. Until we introduced Ultimate Compound a couple of years ago we used M80 almost exclusively in our Saturday Classes to demonstrate defect removal with a D/A, and we had consistently excellent results. While M84 is much, much too aggressive for D/A use, and probably overkill in general for the defects you've shown us, there are a lot of products in between it and M80. If you find you need more power than M80, then Ultimate Compound from our consumer line would be our number one suggestion. If you can not find UC, however, then move up to M83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish. Since you've been able to find M80 and M84 we assume you can just as easily locate M83 if need be.

[Jefri Lay]

Re: What is the right pad for my problem??

M80 is pretty mild stuff, but since you already have it we suggest giving it a try first. Until we introduced Ultimate Compound a couple of years ago we used M80 almost exclusively in our Saturday Classes to demonstrate defect removal with a D/A, and we had consistently excellent results. While M84 is much, much too aggressive for D/A use, and probably overkill in general for the defects you've shown us, there are a lot of products in between it and M80. If you find you need more power than M80, then Ultimate Compound from our consumer line would be our number one suggestion. If you can not find UC, however, then move up to M83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish. Since you've been able to find M80 and M84 we assume you can just as easily locate M83 if need be.

Hi Mike,
About finding UC or M83 I find no difficulties on it. But my problem now is the budget I have to buy DA polisher. I've made new thread http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48004
I want to buy this product because it is far more cheaper than DA. New question came out, will this black and decker product will solve my problem using M80 only? If I can use this black and decker product, can I use the pad that come inside this product or should I buy new pad?
Thanks Mike for your guidance.

Best regards,
Jefri Lay

[Jefri Lay]

Re: What is the right pad for my problem??

Dear all,
I'm sorry if I ask too many questions, but i have no choice and have noone else to talk to about solving my problem. Hope you understand.
Thanks,
Jefri Lay

[Michael Stoops]

Re: What is the right pad for my problem??

Dear all,
I'm sorry if I ask too many questions, but i have no choice and have noone else to talk to about solving my problem. Hope you understand.
Thanks,
Jefri Lay

You never need to apologize for asking questions - that's what we're all about!