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    Posted this on my blog today. Thought I'd share it here as well.

    Many times I cruise the forums and I find all types of threads and posts by authors asking for the “right” way to go about different cleaning or polishing steps on their cars. In this sense, “right” would be inferred to mean “the method that would cause results that would need the least amount of future work.” For example, rubbing a towel full of grit on your car’s paint surface would create scratches and swirls that would require perhaps several hours of work, several tools, and several products to remediate. But this assumes that you want to remediate it. In reality, this may not always be the case and it may be an unrealistic desire.

    One reason that it may not be the case is: Say you’re claying a car and you know that the aggressive clay that you are using is putting swirls into the paint. However, you are going to be buffing the paint out with a compound anyway so you don’t mind. In this example, you are doing something that may not be appropriate for other people but it’s appropriate for you due to the fact that you will be buffing out the swirls anyway.

    Suppose you just washed your car and it rains all over it all day long. You’re now frustrated because the car doesn’t look exactly the way you did when you just finished waxing. Don’t be. That’s being unrealistic. Look at it this way: You know the weather changes and you have no control, so just forget about it. Plus, one of the core reasons for using wax is for protection. So really, the rain is simply exercising and taking full advantage of the product. Take joy from the rain beading up on the car!

    A lot of people see show cars and wish their car looked like that ALL THE TIME. Well, here’s news: Your car would look like that ALL THE TIME IF it performed the function of a show car and sat indoors all day! You have to discover what you use your car for, how much time you have per week to spend on it, and what you want your car to look like. I’ll use myself as an example: I am obviously heavily into auto detailing and I really enjoy working on different finishes with different tools and products. I’m always on the look-out trying to protect my car’s finish and I’m always washing using the least-aggressive method. However, I don’t get pissed off when I see trace swirls and build-up on my car. Instead, I realize that this is normal for a daily driver and I do the best I can to maintain the car given my circumstances. Let’s face it: Cars can still look good even with a few swirls and paint issues. Every time I wash my car, my neighbors think I’m nuts and that it’s already clean. This is why I don’t freak if my car is somewhat dirty. The other reason is that I know that I have an extensive knowledge and hands-on practice detailing so I’m not worried about having trouble removing paint issues. In fact, since I enjoy detailing, I actually do enjoy removing defects anyway and actually want to do it on my own car every so often.

    Clearly, what I just said about myself doesn’t apply to everyone else. Each person has their own preferences as to how they want their car to look and how much time they are willing to spend on it. This is why it becomes difficult to answer “what’s the right way?” questions. In fact, sometimes they even spark arguements and debates like when a person asks “What’s the best wax!?” The moral of the story is if you’re getting frustrated or irritated about how your car looks, you’re just stressing yourself for no reason and you need to drop it and realize that you need to make realistic goals for your life’s current situation. Of course it’s also up to you to sacrifice other things in your situation to dedicate time to detailing but again, that’s a personal choice.

    That is why detailing is subjective. My next door neighbor is OK with her car coming out of the drive-thru car wash because it comes out shiny. If she’s OK with this, that works for her. That is her RIGHT WAY. The only way that it is not her right way is if she does it out of ignorance and would really be washing by hand carefully if she knew that the wash created swirls. But that’s simply not the way that everyone does it. Not everyone wants their car to look 100% perfect. Not everyone even wants it 40% clean. I mean, geeze, if people are willing to commit crimes, they’re definitely willing to trash their car! As such, as a detailing enthusiast, it is nice to enlighten those who don’t know, but of course those who aren’t into detailing as much as we are aren’t worse human beings. Detailing is subjective!
    -HealthyCivic
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    Re: Detailing is Subjective

    I feel very strongly the same way.

    I recently did a neighbor's wife's car which was a total mess. Actually not really since its like 1-2 years old but she has deteriorated pretty badly. I know this, they know this. I know I will be needed $XXX.XX to do said job and they feel well it needs about half the work. Getting pretty upset but I was told this long ago.

    "Do not kill yourself and do not be super particular with these customers. Doing a half baked job will still look killer in their eyes and if you want, you CAN cut corners."

    Basically since they did not care about the car, just washing and waxing is a 1000x improvement over what they had.
    Last edited by Michael Stoops; Oct 22, 2010, 07:52 AM. Reason: remove non family friendly language

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    • #3
      Re: Detailing is Subjective

      Originally posted by BlackScreaminMachine View Post
      I feel very strongly the same way.

      I recently did a neighbor's wife's car which was a total mess. Actually not really since its like 1-2 years old but she has deteriorated pretty badly. I know this, they know this. I know I will be needed $XXX.XX to do said job and they feel well it needs about half the work. Getting pretty upset but I was told this long ago.

      "Do not kill yourself and do not be super particular with these customers. Doing a half baked job will still look killer in their eyes and if you want, you CAN cut corners."

      Basically since they did not care about the car, just washing and waxing is a 1000x improvement over what they had.
      Exactly. Sometimes they just want a relative change. We're often tempted to work for show-car perfection because that is "success" in our eyes. But to them, sometimes all they want is a simple thorough cleaning and waxing. Even if they say they want other stuff, the desire is also in what they're willing to pay.
      -HealthyCivic
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      • #4
        Re: Detailing is Subjective

        Originally posted by HealthyCivic View Post
        Exactly. Sometimes they just want a relative change. We're often tempted to work for show-car perfection because that is "success" in our eyes. But to them, sometimes all they want is a simple thorough cleaning and waxing. Even if they say they want other stuff, the desire is also in what they're willing to pay.
        Furthermore (and this is the owner's right) most owners aren't willing to do what it takes to keep the car looking great--even if it's not much more than washing and waxing it. I learned this with the free polishing I did for my BIL. Last summer I was able (as a rather inexperienced amateur) to do a lot of swirl correction on his black Acura. It looked great for a couple of days. He's happy with going through the swirl-inflicting automated car wash and so much of the correction has been reversed. Nonetheless, that's OK. It's his car.
        Last edited by Brook; Oct 22, 2010, 11:02 AM. Reason: Added a sentence.

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        • #5
          Re: Detailing is Subjective

          Clay, polish,wax, screw up, panic, sleepless nights, pulling hairs out, scramble for internet, get the job done,the success, the satisfaction.... That's all part of the FUN. Such great fun many peoples failed to understand thus missed out. Pity.

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          • #6
            Re: Detailing is Subjective

            I'm getting dumb founded, because the young guy who bought my old car won't take in my limited knowlege advice on how to look after his paint after he swirled it into a big mess using a broom and old rags.

            I suppose it is a youth thing, as he wants good results, but he has to rush everything he does. He bought some Gold Class Wax with the hope of protecting the paint, and the hope of 'fixing' his swirls and scratches, yet the other day I watched him wash the car with a running hose and rag... no shampoo, but at least this time he didn't use a broom. Then he followed up by wiping the GC wax on the car with a nasty old rag. The car hadn't even been cleaned properly first. ... I could actually still see the dirt on the lower door panels from a distance.

            oh well, at least the car looked shiny at the end of it, and quite nice for a 20 year old car from a distance and without the sun reflecting off the swirls and scratches.

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            • #7
              Re: Detailing is Subjective

              Originally posted by BlackScreaminMachine View Post
              Doing a half baked job will still look killer in their eyes and if you want, you CAN cut corners."
              I don't care what kind of customer it is, doing what you say is hack work and not what a REAL detailer would do. Do what the customer is willing to pay for but don't just "cut corners" because you feel they wont notice it.

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              • #8
                Re: Detailing is Subjective

                Originally posted by kiwiatlarge View Post
                I'm getting dumb founded, because the young guy who bought my old car won't take in my limited knowlege advice on how to look after his paint after he swirled it into a big mess using a broom and old rags.


                Don't you know that young folks know everything? I did when I was young!
                BobbyG

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                • #9
                  Re: Detailing is Subjective

                  A BROOM!?!? Wow...
                  -HealthyCivic
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                  • #10
                    Re: Detailing is Subjective

                    Originally posted by Dubbin1 View Post
                    I don't care what kind of customer it is, doing what you say is hack work and not what a REAL detailer would do. Do what the customer is willing to pay for but don't just "cut corners" because you feel they wont notice it.
                    I think your reading this one wrong, so let me help you.

                    First off, ANY professional be it a plumber, painter, electrician, detailer, mechanic, PICK YOUR PROFESSION will cut corners from what is considered conventional/proper. Half the time the customer will not understand and that is the reason why they are paying someone else to do the job.

                    It is called making time, and when your work flat rate you will understand.

                    What I was stating was a exact quotation from someone who does phenominal work and handles high dollar cars and 2,000 buckets.

                    The lesson I learned was no matter HOW particular or obsessive compulsive I am about the car, a person who craps it up is not going to care if I got every pet hair or every little detail. Simply vaccuming it, cleaning hard surfaces including glass and putting a coat of wax made them very happy.

                    Now what I will say is I am VERY anal about my stuff and I am always finding things to correct or clean and it got to the point where I am driving myself crazy.

                    The second part of the conversation that was stated was that when you had that very particular customer with a pretty immaculate car, then that is the car you break your stones on trying to push it up to that next level of quality.

                    It's a balance.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Detailing is Subjective

                      Originally posted by BlackScreaminMachine View Post
                      I think your reading this one wrong, so let me help you.

                      First off, ANY professional be it a plumber, painter, electrician, detailer, mechanic, PICK YOUR PROFESSION will cut corners from what is considered conventional/proper. Half the time the customer will not understand and that is the reason why they are paying someone else to do the job.

                      It is called making time, and when your work flat rate you will understand.

                      What I was stating was a exact quotation from someone who does phenominal work and handles high dollar cars and 2,000 buckets.

                      The lesson I learned was no matter HOW particular or obsessive compulsive I am about the car, a person who craps it up is not going to care if I got every pet hair or every little detail. Simply vaccuming it, cleaning hard surfaces including glass and putting a coat of wax made them very happy.

                      Now what I will say is I am VERY anal about my stuff and I am always finding things to correct or clean and it got to the point where I am driving myself crazy.

                      The second part of the conversation that was stated was that when you had that very particular customer with a pretty immaculate car, then that is the car you break your stones on trying to push it up to that next level of quality.

                      It's a balance.
                      100% correct. It does not mean brush all of the dirt under the floormats, but on the other hand, you are not aiming for a show car finish.
                      ChrisThompsonsCustom@gmail.com
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                      • #12
                        Re: Detailing is Subjective

                        Originally posted by Chris Thompson View Post
                        100% correct. It does not mean brush all of the dirt under the floormats, but on the other hand, you are not aiming for a show car finish.
                        Exactly.

                        I build race cars, and I have a ton of different hobbies and believe me my level of quality is really good but there times where I have to say to myself.

                        "What is good enough for me, and what is good enough for the customer?"

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