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Using a PC 7424XP on 2 with a LC black pad. Putting about a dime size drop of M07 Show car glaze. Smear it around with pad before turning the machine on. I make about 1 pass up down and 2 pass left right on a 2x2 panel. After that use MF towel for wipe down. polishes up okay. If I do anymore than this I wipe down and it leaves a bad haze. Is this normal?
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Re: M07 drying to fast!
Gee, that sounds like the right technique.
Is the surface in the shade and cool? It almost sounds like you may be using to much product. this is one item that a LITTLE goes a long waaaay. One trick you can try on a smallish section (that you previously did), use a bit of #7 on a hand pad, just kinda wipe it over the hazy area and IMMEDIALLY wipe it off. Did that remove the 'older' stuff?
For me, on a fresh black/red LC pad...6 drops or so around the outer edge, do the 2X2 section, wipe. Then a couple of drops, another 2X2, wipe etc, etc.
Hope this helps a little.
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Sometimes you need to put a little more elbow grease in it. I also noticed that more product wont hurt you since drying is the one thing you do not want happening.Comment
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When you say leaving a haze, do you mean the pad is starting to cause swirls in the paint, or that the product is hard to remove?2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR BlueComment
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^ The only time I found #7 hard to remove is when I used too little product or it dried too much. Using it on Multiple Vehicles since then I found a good balance. I basically spread it on thinly and then take off with a Terry Cloth. Enough "Cut" to get a clean surface and the oils help the paint if it's dry.Comment
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Its super hard to remove. ... I was told I was using too much so i dropped it down to a quater/dime size in the center of the polish padComment
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How large of a area are you covering?quality creates its own demandComment
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Sounds about right. The few times I used it, I also had to find the right technique. I apply it to a section, about the same size, then immediately wipe it off. It sounds like that is what your doing.
After rereading your original post. It seems that you self corrected your problem, by working a smaller area. Is this correct?
The real question then becomes working a large area left the haze? Correct. Well In my opinion, working too large of a area, the product will dry, and leave a hazy film.quality creates its own demandComment
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As now people mention it, speaking about technique.
What I use is my Autozone Cheap'o wax spreader. It has a MF Bonnett (10") I take some #7 and in a circular, explanding motion put down a equivilent of a 1/2 Dollar size/amount of glaze. The pad looks like a cinnamon bun if it helps get the pic.
I work one panel at a time. This thing has no viarible speed and I just allow it to move enough to get a uniform coat, thin, and uniform. The MF or Terry cloth off and this stuff is easier to get off then NXT 2.0 Paste Wax.
Thats just my exp.Comment
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Use more product, take it off by making little swipes or taking little bites of product off using a microfiber folded 4 ways...Originally posted by Hudsondelobo View Post
No matter what paint care product you're using, you always want to use the ample amount...
Use an "ample" amount of product
When I say use an ample amount of product this means don’t use too much product and don’t use to little product.
From The Free Dictionary.com
Out of the above definitions, I'm using the 3rd definition.am·ple
adjective1. Of large or great size, amount, extent, or capacity: an ample living room.
2.
a. Large in degree, kind, or quantity: an ample reward.
b. More than enough: ample evidence.
3. Fully sufficient to meet a need or purpose: had ample food for the party.
Using too much product
If you use too much you can hyper-lubricate the surface and this will make it more difficult for the abrasives to abrade the surface as they’ll tend to want to glide or slip over the surface instead of bite into the surface.
Using too little product
If you use too little product there won’t be enough lubrication to enable the buffing pad to rotate and thus engage the abrasives against the surface so they can bite into and remove small particles of paint.
You want an AMPLE amount of product when first starting out because you pad is dry and some of the product is going to seep into the pad leaving less on the surface to LUBRICATE and ABRADE the paint.
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I wrote an article on how to remove a coating of wax or paint sealant, it's not posted to MOL as I have to edit it a little first but here's the jist of the article and it works for M07 and other pure polishes also...
Originally posted by Mike Phillips
The most important factor for removing any wax or paint sealant is to apply a thin, uniform coating, this usually takes a little practice and in my opinion is best done using a DA Polisher.
Once you have a thin coating of whatever it is you're applying, for example a pure polish or glaze, or a wax or paint sealant, the job is to remove it without struggling and without inducing toweling marks back into the paint.
The words toweling marks are a nice way of saying light or shallow swirls and scratches from pushing too hard with your wiping cloth or in other words struggling with your wiping cloth against the paint as you're trying to remove something that's not coming off easily.
Let me share with you the technique I call
Breaking open a coat of wax and then creeping out...
Kind of a weird title but it's all I can come up with that describes what you do using this technique.
First let me share the problem, most people try to wipe off large or huge swaths of product with each wipe and for some products this works well because the product is very easy to wipe off no matter how you wipe. But for a lot of products, wipe off requires a little more work because of the product itself.
From TheFreeDictionary.com
Swath: the width of one sweep of a scythe or of the blade of a mowing machine
In the context of this article and topic it's the width of one sweep of your hand on a microfiber polishing towel.
When a product wipes off hard, trying to take huge chunks of it off in a single stroke doesn't work very well and usually what happens is you place your polishing towel on a panel, push on the towel and try to move it forward to remove the coating of product in that area; what usually happens is the towel stays in place and your hand moves forward emptyhand... so to speak...
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The reason for this is because when you try to take off huge amounts of product, the surface tension between the layer of glaze, wax or paint sealant is greater by the shear volume of surface area as compared to what your hand and a wiping cloth can convince to release and pull away.
If that makes sense...
Now if you try to take the same product off but instead just take little bites of product off using a gentle, circular motion with your hand and polishing towel, then taking off any product is easy. This is because when you only try to remove a small amount of product at one time your wiping cloth has more removing or lifting-off power than the product has grip strength onto the paint.
Little Bites
With little bites any wax or paint sealant is easy to remove and you reduce the potential for inflicting any toweling marks...
Breaking Open A Coating of Wax
(Or breaking open a coating of anything, Glaze, Pure Polish, Wax or Paint Sealant)
If you have applied a coating of something to an entire car, then before you can remove the coating taking little bites of product off with your polishing towel, you must first have a place to start from that has no product.
You need a starting point, you need a shiny spot
You need to break open the coating of wax. You can do this anyway you like, I usually show placing a microfiber towel folded 4-ways placed flat on a panel and then place your hand on top of the folded towel, and then gently but with firm pressure twist the microfiber in a circle, this will usually remove most of the wax in that area and create a "shiny spot". This is called, "breaking open a coating of wax" .
The way this works is when you apply pressure to your microfiber polishing towel, the weave or nap of the microfiber is slicing into this continuous layer of product and gently breaking it up so you can remove it off the surface.
Now that you've broken open the coating of wax and have a shiny spot to start from you can start taking small bites of wax off the paint by making small circular swipes and creeping out from the shiny spot.
Now when I say creeping out... I don't mean get weird on me... I mean using your folded microfiber towel, gently and methodically begin moving outward from the shiny spot taking wax off in little bites in tight little circular motions.
This is called breaking a coating of wax open and then creeping out...
Creeping out from the shiny spot by taking little swipes with gentle circular motions truly does work and the reason it works is because when you only try to take a little portion of wax or paint sealant off at one time your wiping cloth has more leverage over the grip-strength or surface adhesion between the coating and the paint than the coating can resist.
I've been using and teaching this technique for going on 2 decades and developed the technique from years of using M07 Show Car Glaze and M16 Professional Paste Wax and anyone that's used either of these old school products understands the grip strength they have over the paint. Thus I needed an effective technique that could duplicated over and over again from car to car that would enable me to remove these two products off the paint without instilling swirls and scratches back into the paint at the same time.
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thanks for chiming in Mike... I think I got the idea. I just didnt understand... some panels were very simple and polished out perfect and by using the same ... well everything... It didnt have the ease!
Back out to the garage to try again!
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