***** Need some help/info Please! *****

[cnfowler]

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actually did some research and decided to go with the lc 5" backing and a set of 5.5" flat pads, orange white black.

Good decision on the 5.5" pads. On a DA, smaller pads cut faster.

Here's a good read put together by the one and only Mike Phillips.

Removing Sanding Marks with the Griot's ROP



Colin

[HealthyCivic]

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Good job. DAs are helpful in general to have. Some tools you buy, you never use again. DAs come in handy quite often. For stuff like this, wax application, swirl removal, and more...

So even if you do eventually step it up to a rotary, you will always value your DA.

[garrick]

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actually did some research and decided to go with the lc 5" backing and a set of 5.5" flat pads, orange white black.

[garrick]

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should i get the grey one too for wax? or is it not necessary?

[garrick]

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6.5" pads on a 6" backing? i'm sorry i have only used bonnets that you wrap onto the buffer, or tie on.. so just get the lc da orange and white 6.5" pads off of auto geek?

[Dubbin1]

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Excellent choice!!! The griots should come with the backing plate. As far as pads go, look for 6.5" LC orange and white pads. You can find these at several online detailing stores such as auto geek and proper auto care. I would also recommend getting a 3.5" backing plate and some 4" pads for the smaller areas.

[garrick]

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bit the bullet, bought the griots with some microfiber towels to get the price to 150 something on autoanything with a 15 percent off coupon and free shipping, came to 134 with shipping! now i need a reccomendation on a backing plate and pads for the m105 and m205!!

[Michael Stoops]

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now i'm a little confused, get the orbital or get the decent da from meguiars or pc?? what would be better for a beginner?

The following should have clarified it all for you.

The inexpensive (relatively speaking, we do understand) buffers you've been looking at are very likely going to be a waste of money here. Do yourself a favor and find a way to get a good D/A at least - check ebay even - and proceed from there. But step up your choice of liquid to M105 with a follow up of M205 to refine the finish. The paint itself is going to dictate, to a high degree, how things are going to go once you get started.

Go with a good D/A, even a used one if you have to: Porter Cable 7424/7336/7424XP, Meguiars' G110/G110/G110v2, Griot's

[akimel]

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now i'm a little confused, get the orbital or get the decent da from meguiars or pc?? what would be better for a beginner?

There's no confusion: for a beginner like yourself, you need to a dual action polisher. There are four good models available on the market today: Meguiar's G110, Porter Cable 7424, Griots Random Orbital, and Flex Dual Action Polisher.

I would take a hard look at the Griots'. I've read a lot of good reviews about it, but you won't go wrong with any of them.

Don't settle for anything else. Of course, if you decide to move to a rotary, that's a different ball game.

[garrick]

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now i'm a little confused, get the orbital or get the decent da from meguiars or pc?? what would be better for a beginner?

[greg0303]

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I don't really see where he was backing anyone up other then to agree that a DA can be used to take out sanding marks

Now remember that I never said a DA is the only way to go. The only reason I posted it was because you said it cant be done. Heck even the little under powered griots 3" polisher has been used to remove 2000 grit marks...

I really think that you are behind times on the new pads and products for DAs as they can do a lot more now then they could just a few years ago.

My original reply to this thread:
For effective sand mark removal you need a rotary buffer with either wool or foam cutting pad and M105/M95 compound. You can get some rotary machines below $100 at Amazon. I saw Black & Decker one for around $80 with speed 1000-3000 rpm. Better buffers like Makita 9227 and Dewalt 849 cost closer to $200. As speed setting you need between 1200-1500 rpm for compound sand mark removal. Foam cutting pad creates a lot of heat so check it out frequently. Follow with M205/M80 Polish.
Sometimes you can remove 2000 grit sand marks with DA polisher but it's not guaranteed.

[Michael Stoops]

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garrick, the level of success you or anyone else will have when trying to remove 2000 grit sanding marks with a D/A is going to be highly dependent on

• the hardness or workability, if you prefer, of the paint (we've been involved in a project here at Meguiar's Garage that involved 3000 grit final D/A sanding on a very bizarre paint system that was a royal pain in the backside to remove, even in the hands of a group of guys with over 100 years combined experience!!)
• the quality of the sanding marks (2000 grit by hand or D/A can be quite different, quality sandpaper vs cheap sandpaper, overall skill at sanding)
• the skill level of the person operating the buffer (whether D/A or rotary - we've seen people seriously mess up this step with a rotary)

Depending on the paint you used, how it was mixed, etc you may find it to be quite soft and therefore fairly easy to remove the sanding marks. But the very low power orbital buffers you mentioned in your other post are going to be very, very hard pressed to remove the sanding marks, especially with the fairly mild liquids you're suggesting.

If you're going to do this you'll need a serious D/A at the very least - Meguiar's G110v2, PC 7424XP, Griot's, etc - and not some lightweight orbital. Even then, in the hands of someone with no experience using this tool, it's going to be very slow going and potentially frustrating. It is possible to do it, but it's not the preferred method for most experienced detailers. A quality rotary buffer with a wool pad is definitely going to be the faster and more efficient way to do this, but it's also the fastest way to ruin your new paint job if you have no experience with this tool. The rotary and D/A are night and day different when it comes to power to correct, and power to damage.

The inexpensive (relatively speaking, we do understand) buffers you've been looking at are very likely going to be a waste of money here. Do yourself a favor and find a way to get a good D/A at least - check ebay even - and proceed from there. But step up your choice of liquid to M105 with a follow up of M205 to refine the finish. The paint itself is going to dictate, to a high degree, how things are going to go once you get started.

[Dubbin1]

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Thank you, Rasky, I appreciate you backing me up in this matter.

I don't really see where he was backing anyone up other then to agree that a DA can be used to take out sanding marks

Now remember that I never said a DA is the only way to go. The only reason I posted it was because you said it cant be done. Heck even the little under powered griots 3" polisher has been used to remove 2000 grit marks...

I really think that you are behind times on the new pads and products for DAs as they can do a lot more now then they could just a few years ago.

[RaskyR1]

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Yes, thankyou very much for all the replies! I'll find something to practice on, I just need to decide on a polisher, i listed a bunch in a new thread asking for opinions, thanks again!

Good Luck! Be sure to post pics when it's all done!

[garrick]

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Yes, thankyou very much for all the replies! I'll find something to practice on, I just need to decide on a polisher, i listed a bunch in a new thread asking for opinions, thanks again!