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    I normally would not post a private message, however I thought some people might find this interesting as someone was asking me about why I do not use clay. Below is the original message, followed by my reply.

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    .....wrote on 01-11-2005 03:10 PM:
    Frank, it sounds like you do not believe it clay at all. How come? I admit I have only clayed about 3 cars, 2 new ones and 1 used one and was really impressed with the results. I read opinions here and agree with its ability to remove contamination easily so why would a guy with your knowledge be against it?
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    Thanks for the PM. It's really not that I am against using clay. I am sure, from everything that I read, that it works very well. However I think it is just that over the years I have been able to figure out other ways of getting the same results. You see, when you are operating a detailing business, it really all comes down to doing whatever it takes to satisfy your customers. My customers could really care less about how I achieve the results. All that matters to them is that I am able to get the results they are looking for. It is really that simple.

    Think about it this way. Before there was clay; how do you think professional detailers were able to remove surface contamination? Of course the answer is easy. There have always been plenty of paint cleaning type products available by almost all of the leading manufacturers. What is interesting to me is that there is so very little talked about on most detailing forums regarding these paint cleaners. For example, I like to use Meguiar's Professional products exclusively. And of course, Meguiar's supplies a full line-up of paint cleaners.

    Like I said before, from what I read, I am sure I could get good results with clay. But the way I see it, if it is not broken, there is really no reason to fix it. When you are in business, sometimes you just have to go with what works until you figure out how to incorporate new changes. I guess I am at that stage where sooner or later I will get around to seeing what clay is all about. Until then, I will continue to do what it takes to get results and make sure that I am completely satisfying my customers.
    FRANK CANNA
    Mirror Finish Detailing
    23rd Year 1986-2009

  • #2
    I was going to post a question along the same lines.

    I still don't quite understand what clay does that cannot be done with either abrasive or chemical paint cleaners.

    Why would I want to use an abrasive polish after using clay?
    1998 BMW 323is

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    • #3
      Originally posted by mzmtg
      I was going to post a question along the same lines.

      I still don't quite understand what clay does that cannot be done with either abrasive or chemical paint cleaners.
      Frank is a professional detailer with almost two decades of experience and he's absolutely right when he says that before clay came along detailers were removing above surface bonded contaminants using paint cleaners as well as other tools of the trade.

      But clay does offer advantages over paint cleaners, I'll list a few but first here's what clay will do in a nutshell.

      "Clay provides a safe and effective way for the average person to remove above surface bonded contaminants from their car's finish without instilling scratches"

      You see, the average person with above surface bonded contaminants can quickly and easily remove these by hand using a coarse rubbing compound, but... they will scratch and scour the surface in the process. Clay on the other hand will remove bonded contaminants safely and effectively without instilling any scratches.

      Before clay, if a professional detailer is going to restore a neglected finish, chances are he's going to use a rotary buffer with some type of cutting or cleaning pad and an aggressive compound or paint cleaner. This combination of products will remove anything on the surface as well as anything below the surface because it's going to remove a layer of paint off the surface.

      Presto-Chango, the above surface bonded contaminants are gone. Then the professional detailer will re-polish with a finer product and at some point finish the detail with his LSP, (Last Step Product).

      This system has worked ever since detailing cars began.

      Now, here's an important feature that clay offers contrast to the traditional system.

      The traditional system removes paint, claying does not.

      There are many times that you don't need to remove paint, you only need to remove the above surface bonded contaminants.

      For example: Down the road from where I live is a car dealership that keeps a majority of their new car inventory in a gravel parking section in the back of their lot. These cars sit outside 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. (I'll take a picture).

      This parking lot is right next to a major freeway, (lots of air-borne pollution), and it is also very windy and dusty in the area. Chances are very high that these brand new cars will have above surface bonded contaminants by the time they are rotated into the mix of cars for sale on the dealership lot.

      In most cases, the finish on a brand new car doesn't need to be cleaned with a rotary buffer and some type of compound, or paint cleaner, let alone a wool cutting pad. When this does take place we often read about it hear on our forum by some unhappy new car owner as well as see pictures of the damage. This is called the, "Dealer Installed Swirl Option", (DISO), and it's free of charge.

      Clay enables a person to safely and effectively remove above surface bonded contaminants without the risk of instilling scratches into the finish. This is especially important for the average person with little or no experience and little or no skills. Claying is easy to do and and safe when performed with a little instruction and common sense.

      Here's a picture of a truck that unfortunately was parked in the wrong place at the wrong time and became completely covered with a white enamel overspray.



      We safely removed all of the overspray from the paint, chrome and glass using Meguiar's Quik Clay System



      Why would I want to use an abrasive polish after using clay?
      Clay only removes above surface bonded contaminants, after these have been removed, if you have below surface defects, then you'll need a product formulated to remove paint safely, this would be a compound, paint cleaner or cleaner/polish. Meguiar's products in this category use diminishing abrasives cushioned in a rich lubricating film to remove defects, (remove paint), safely and effectively without scouring the finish.


      Mike
      Mike Phillips
      760-515-0444
      showcargarage@gmail.com

      "Find something you like and use it often"

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      • #4
        But the way I see it, if it is not broken, there is really no reason to fix it.
        I am glad the guy who invented the wheel didn't think that way or we would all be WAXING horses.
        Last edited by Superior Shine; Jan 13, 2005, 07:18 AM.
        Freedom prospers when Christianity is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged

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        • #5
          I always liked this article put out by DavidB, http://autopia.org/kb/index.php?page...2&id=31&c=root

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          • #6
            What would one use instead of clay to remove rail dust? In my experience, most paint cleaners (non rotary use) will not touch moderate rail dust. If the rail dust is light, MPPC with a PC will help. But if it's heavy, forget it.

            I would bet that most new car dealers never even heard of detailing clay.

            RamAirV1
            2015 Dodge Charger R/T Scat Pack 392Granite Crystal
            2006 GTO Impulse Blue

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Superior Shine
              I am glad the guy who invented the wheel didn't think that way or we would all be WAXING horses.

              and, let me add, they tend to resist that procedure. Especially the buffing part!
              Danny

              '04 Chevy Colorado
              Indigo Blue
              Z71 4x4

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              • #8
                I'd like to add one other pro for clay.....I believe it's faster than using a polish. I imagine most people can clay a car in much less time then they can polish it. Claying a car can really bring the paint back to life.
                -Bob
                NXTti graduate, Meguiars Ford/SEMA Team

                "All Corvette's are red, the rest are mistakes" - John Heinricy (Corvette Engineer)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RDVT4ME
                  I'd like to add one other pro for clay.....I believe it's faster than using a polish. I imagine most people can clay a car in much less time then they can polish it. Claying a car can really bring the paint back to life.
                  Very good point Bob!

                  Mike
                  Mike Phillips
                  760-515-0444
                  showcargarage@gmail.com

                  "Find something you like and use it often"

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                  • #10
                    Ever see the movie "The Blob"?

                    (For those who haven't it features Steve McQueen fighting a big gooey monster that eats anyone in its path but leaves the surrounding room untouched.)

                    Clay is like that, but it doesn't chase you.


                    PC.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by the other pc
                      Ever see the movie "The Blob"?

                      (For those who haven't it features Steve McQueen fighting a big gooey monster that eats anyone in its path but leaves the surrounding room untouched.)

                      Clay is like that, but it doesn't chase you.


                      PC.
                      That's funny!

                      And a good analogy too!

                      Mike
                      Mike Phillips
                      760-515-0444
                      showcargarage@gmail.com

                      "Find something you like and use it often"

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                      • #12
                        Hey,

                        I too prefer to use clay to remove the contaminents. Just a personal preference.

                        The comparison to "The Blob"--- TOO Funny!!

                        Tim
                        Tim Lingor's Product Reviews

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