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    What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

    Man I gotta tell you sometimes I frustrate myself. I am still having a bit of a problem using UC/105, it wont wipe off! I put an X across my LC orange pad, speed setting of about 4, and start polishing. The residue wont wipe off though?? I had to use 50/50 glass cleaner to get the residue off. I follow my test spot with m205 and it wiped off easier. Since it was a test spot on an old panel, I was just practicing. I literally has to SCRUB with a microfiber to get the residue from UC and 105 to come off, it didnt wipe off like I had imagined it would. What am I doing wrong? Working too long? Not long enough? too much product? Any advice is welcome, it was a cool surface in the garage, so it didnt dry from heat or anything. Garage temps were in the mid 75's.

    Advice is welcome, I really want to get my car done but I just cant figure it out!
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    Re: What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

    Probably your not working the 105 either the UC long enough. You have to work it in until theres a thin film of product you can remove easily. Try to use LT (last touch) if it becomes hard to remove. GC tends to be a little to strong.
    Ryan's Auto Detailing, S.A
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    • #3
      Re: What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

      First off, use some quik detailer/Last Touch/UQD to wipe off the residue, not glass cleaner. But, since you are working on an old panel, I guess that's fine. You may be working too long. Is the product dusting at all?

      Also, using too much product would make it a challenge to wipe off. Try to use less product and see what happens and if no improvement, try a little more product, etc. There are so many variables involved including the paint itself. You really have to just buckle down and try some techniques to see what is going wrong. However, if it is dusting, and you are dry buffing at any time, then the problem probably is that you are working the product too long.
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      • #4
        Re: What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

        Are you letting it dry ? That can also be a factor. There is not drying time when using the 105 or 205, as soon as you see the thin film of product remove it with a MF and some LT.
        Ryan's Auto Detailing, S.A
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        • #5
          Re: What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

          Nope I applied it and immediately tried to wipe it off.

          I have a feeling I am just not working it long enough combined with a little too much product maybe? I will have to give it a go again soon.

          I am very happy with the results though, made my 12 year old pickup truck look awesome..on that test spot LOL.
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          • #6
            Re: What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

            Originally posted by 1970judge View Post
            Nope I applied it and immediately tried to wipe it off.

            I have a feeling I am just not working it long enough combined with a little too much product maybe? I will have to give it a go again soon.

            I am very happy with the results though, made my 12 year old pickup truck look awesome..on that test spot LOL.
            Thats great to know your reviving your pick-up. Work it a little bit longer until de dimishing abrasives break down and leave a thin film then remove.

            DONT use glass cleaner to remove the dried product use some QD or LT.
            Ryan's Auto Detailing, S.A
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            • #7
              Re: What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

              If you are using 105/UC as you stated, there is not a particular work time as they are NOT dimishing abrasives.
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              • #8
                Re: What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

                So you are saying there is no particular 'work in/break down' time? Just glaze it on, and wipe it off?
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                • #9
                  Re: What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

                  Here is another vote for working it in longer. See if that helps. Should be relatively simple to remove. Compared to what your going through.
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                  • #10
                    Re: What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

                    You want to bump your speed up to about the 5.0 Speed Setting or higher, whatever it takes to keep the pad rotating under pressure.

                    Normally you would want to make about 4-6 section passes to one section in order to work the product long enough to remove some to all swirls and scratches, with SMAT products you can stop at any time but normally you would still make 4-6 Section Passes for any kind of swirl removal out of a modern clear coat.

                    Don't work an area any larger than about 20" squarish or so, (work shape depends upon the shape of the panel)

                    Don't work on a warm to hot surface as this will tend to reduce the buffing cycle of most products and make the product dry up prematurely and thus make wipe-off difficult.

                    Don't work in direct sunlight, always try to apply paint care products on a cool surface in the shade.


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                    • #11
                      Re: What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

                      Originally posted by 1970judge View Post
                      So you are saying there is no particular 'work in/break down' time? Just glaze it on, and wipe it off?
                      Not quite. You do need to work it, and work it well. But you mentioned that you're working on a 12 year old truck, and we have seen times where M105 doesn't like old, dried out paint. M105 is incredible stuff, but nothing is perfect on every paint finish. You may find, in the long run, that UC is a better fit here as it's a bit "wetter" product. You may also discover something like M80 Speed Glaze to be more effective than M105, depending on the paint.

                      From personal experience I've only seen this situation of M105 fighting dry paint one time. The car wasn't even that old (a Ferrari 360 Modena) but M105 gummed up pretty badly, and very quickly. Wipe off was a total pain, and I quickly decided against it for the project. As it turned out, M80 was just incredible on this car (no, it was NOT single stage paint) and while buffing it out people in the shop commented on how it looked like the car was being repainted!

                      Just make sure the surface you're working on is cool to the touch, don't over use the UC (or the M105 for that matter), keep the tool on speed 5 and use moderate pressure (enough to deform that pad pretty well but still allow it to rotate) and work the product until it is just a very thin film on the surface. As has been mentioned, these are SMAT products so they don't technically break down like a diminishing abrasive product does, but they still work down to where they are just a thin film on the surface. If they're still heavy and opaque looking on the paint, they haven't been worked long enough.
                      Michael Stoops
                      Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

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                      • #12
                        Re: What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

                        Thanks for the advice guys!

                        I am leaning towards not working it in long enough. This particular weekend was M105 on a 12 year old truck, but my similar experience was UC on my 2007 HHR. Same effect on both, it was hard to wipe off. If you recall I also had the same problem with step #2 polish on my HHR. I think it has to do with work time!
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                        • #13
                          Re: What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

                          FWIW, I tried the M105 again on my black HHR, and it came out fantastic! It didn't get out a few defects I was hoping but I believe it is because they are too deep. I can't feel them, but then again I don't have fingernails to speak of(biting them, nasty habit) but all in all it was a success. The 50/50 of my hood looks spectacular! The problem was simple, I wasn't working it long enough!

                          Thanks for all of your help guys and gals!
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                          • #14
                            Re: What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

                            There you go... as i told you @ the very beginning, work it a little longer thats the trick... Just wait until you see that thin film of product and then wipe off
                            Ryan's Auto Detailing, S.A
                            Mobile Auto Detailing Company.
                            Dominican Republic.

                            Passion for Detailing, do it with love.

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                            • #15
                              Re: What am I doing wrong? M105/UC

                              Thanks bud! I can't wait to do the whole car, I am working on my technique and critiquing myself so I can eventually become a mobile detailer!
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