What else should i get???

[Shawn T.]

Re: What else should i get???

W8207 Polishing Pad. Do not use a cutting pad unless it is necessary and only use it on an isolated panel or area. Using it for extended periods of time could result in the failure of the pad. There is a thread on here about it.

[Tuck91]

Re: What else should i get???

hey Megs staff, is it safe to use the new Soft Buff 2.0 burgundy cutting pads with a G110?

When used on clearcoats, they tend to haze up the paint. Its not always going to occur, but more often than not it does.

I have used the cutting pad with my G110 on oxidized gelcoat with very good results.

Really? I was going to buy some to use with 105 and my DA. So, what's the preferred pad for cutting on a DA?

The W8207 polishing pad is going to be the best choice.

W8207 Polishing Pad. Do not use a cutting pad unless it is necessary and only use it on an isolated panel or area. Using it for extended periods of time could result in the failure of the pad. There is a thread on here about it.

I have used the W7207 cutting pad on oxidized gelcoat and they have never failed on me. They can be used with the G110 and were designed for use with the W68DA backing plate, just like the W8207 and W9207 pads.

Why would you say the pad is likely to fail when used for an extended period of time?

[CumminsCrazed]

Re: What else should i get???

so why would megs sell an "unsafe" pad for vehicles that would result in working backwards

[Tuck91]

Re: What else should i get???

so why would megs sell an "unsafe" pad for vehicles that would result in working backwards

Give this a read:

W7207 Washable Foam Cutting Pad

[Shawn T.]

Re: What else should i get???

Tuck, here is the thread I read through that gave me this impression: http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/sho...ht=cutting+pad

But I guess if it works in your case then it works. Cheers!

[Michael Stoops]

Re: What else should i get???

I have used the W7207 cutting pad on oxidized gelcoat and they have never failed on me. They can be used with the G110 and were designed for use with the W68DA backing plate, just like the W8207 and W9207 pads.

Why would you say the pad is likely to fail when used for an extended period of time?

With gel coat being much, much harder than automotive paint, the chances of hazing caused by the W7207 pad is far less than when using it on paint. But the possibility of failure of the hook & loop backing is still quite real when used with a D/A. The problem comes from what is a pretty violent action between the back of the pad and the backing plate itself. The constant changes in direction literally tries to rip the pad off the backing plate (which is why if you lift the pad off the paint with the tool still on, the pad will fly off - this doesn't happen with a rotary). This also produces heat, and a lot of it, and this heat buildup is only compounded by the extra drag of the cutting pad against the surface. With extended use this heat can break down the adhesive used to mount the hook & loop material to the pad. The Soft Buff 2.0 pads can withstand this heat better than the original pads, but if you really lean on them you can run into trouble. Now, if you're changing pads often, and not using undue pressure, you may well be fine. And obviously, Nick, you haven't experienced this negative in the past. Something tells us, though, that you are NOT just leaning on these pads and beating them to death - you're doing things using best practices and you are FAR from being a novice at this! That goes a long, long way toward keeping things working smoothly.

so why would megs sell an "unsafe" pad for vehicles that would result in working backwards

There's nothing at all "unsafe" about the pad, it's when coupled with the D/A that problems might arise. It's really no different than using a non-D/A rated liquid with the D/A and getting a poor result. We don't recommend M85 Diamond Cut with a D/A either (and you really wouldn't like the outcome if you tried), but there's nothing "unsafe" about the product. When used with a rotary, which is the intended tool, it's a fantastic pad! You can remove 2000 grit sanding marks with it, and cause very minimal swirling in the process. But the rotary is a vastly different tool than the D/A.

You also have to understand that when we, or anybody else for that matter, creates a product for a specific use, it has to perform to a certain expectation a very high percentage of the time. Obviously nothing on the market is perfect for every situation, but if we know it meets our criteria then we will recommend it for use via whatever tool. On the other hand, if we see any sort of repeatable issue when using that product in a specific manner then we won't recommend it for use that way. In the case of the W7207 pad, we know that there's a good possibility that it will haze paint when used with a D/A. Even it were a 50/50 proposition, that's nowhere near "good enough" for us to recommend it for use that way, so we don't. Of course, that doesn't mean it's always a bad idea, as Nick can attest to. And sometimes, if all you have is a D/A and you're fighting a particularly nasty area on the paint (very badly set in water spots, some really nasty isolated scratches) then the W7207 might actually help you get rid of those issues. Just know that there's a very good possibility that it will haze the paint while doing so, and that if you follow up with a W8207 Polishing pad you'll almost always be able to remove the haze. Not unlike rotary work using a wool pad and M105 to pull out sanding marks, but leaving some holograms behind that you have to go back and clean up with another step. Problem is, people get so used to a polishing pad leaving a nice finish with a D/A they tend to freak out when suddenly a cutting pad doesn't leave such a nice finish. And they really don't want to hear that they now need to go over the whole car with another step!!!

So the pad is a perfectly safe tool, when used as recommended.

[CumminsCrazed]

Re: What else should i get???

i guess when i said unsafe, i didnt really intend for it to be said that way, its just what came to mind. Its more or less that i guess i was surprised that it doesn't work well with a DA and isnt really a "safe" method of use on a whole vehicle using "undue" pressure. I guess thats more of what i meant by unsafe, not that it was a terrible product and unsafe for everything.

[Mary S]

Re: What else should i get???

Do you have everything you need to do interior details? Shop vac, dry vapor/steam cleaner, carpet extractor, all the brushes, all the interior products.

Or are you not going to do interiors to start?

[CumminsCrazed]

Re: What else should i get???

getting a shop vac this week along with a hot water extractor. We have a steam cleaner i can use here at the house but no brushes and have some products

[Mary S]

Re: What else should i get???

I'm excited for you, Zach! I see myself being where you are in maybe a month or two, getting ready to go "live." In my case, I have a regular job Monday through Friday 8 to 5 (boorring!) but I was going to start out accepting only 1 detail job per week on Saturday or Sunday (in my garage like you). Then I will take the income from the details to grow the business to where I can go to other people's house where they can provide water and electricity hookup. Then I will go completely mobile, where I can work anywhere (so to speak).

But taking it one day at a time for now. I am going to paint my garage, clean the floor of the garage and either put down a sealant or garage tiles. And I need to get the equipment I need to do interiors. I want to get a really good steam cleaner, even though they are expensive, because they would buy me time, allow me to complete the job more quickly and with less effort, which should pay off in the long run.