Have I been under a rock?

[1970judge]

I just watched a video of a person doing a no rinse wash with Last Tocuh. He seems to be endorsed by Meguiars, so Merguiars recommends this as an option? That would be awesome to not have to buy ONR!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9CbLGeBN_w

[ClearlyCoated]

Re: Have I been under a rock?

Mark Kleis is one of the moderators here on MOL. I watched this video several months ago and have used Last Touch as a rinseless wash several times since.

I just used ONR for the first time this past week because of the clearance sale ADS and other vendors were having (I bought a gallon for 1/2 price). Having used both, I couldn't determine any significant advantage that ONR offered over LT. Both products create a very slick and lubricating emulsion, effective and safe for rinseless washing.

ONR was formulated precisely for rinseless washing, LT was not. But, as Mark demonstrates in his video, LT is a very versatile product and the same properties that make it an effective detailer and clay lube also make it effective in this capacity.

I will finish up my gallon of ONR, but thereafter I will probably rely on LT based upon price ($15 per gallon) and the many applications Last Touch offers.

[akimel]

Re: Have I been under a rock?

I have never tried Last Touch as a rinseless wash, and quite honestly I probably never will. Meguiar's does not promote or sanction it for this purpose. I have no idea how the chemical structure of the two products compare. My understanding is that ONR does not contain silicone and that its polymers are designed to encapsulate dirt particles to allow them to be safely wiped off the paint surface without marring. When the towel is rinsed in the ONR bucket, the encapsulated particles then fall to the bottom of the bucket. I do not know if LT can make the same claim. LT is a versatile product, but I ain't using it to wash my car.

[J. A. Michaels]

Re: Have I been under a rock?

I will stay with the onr for a rinse less wash. Until Meguiar's adopts this technique. That is just me.

[1970judge]

Re: Have I been under a rock?

Well yesterday, I gave my car the good ole wash down. Then of course it decided to turn windy, rain, and cold after and through the night. It is very windy out but sunny, so I decided to do a rinseless wash with my last touch and I must say it worked AWESOME. No extra scratches at all. The car wasn't that dirty visibly, just a little dirt and pollen from being blown around.

[Lasthope05]

Re: Have I been under a rock?

I have to admit I tried it once and never did it again. I never felt safe using a product like megs last touch as a rinseless wash. Meguiars doesnt sanction it and is only recommended to be use neat. Now for ONR it is designed to trap and encapsulate dirt away from the paint while leaving some glossing polymers behind.

ONR recommends a dilution ratio of 65:1 for claying. The only recommended dilution ratio for last touch is 1:1 for claying so I dont understand how 1 ounce per gal(of a silicone spray and wipe product) would be sufficient enough to safely wash a car. For a lightly dusty car it might to fine as the water itself would just act as a buffer between the wash media and the paint but I seriously dont think last touch used as a rinseless wash will be capable of safely and effecively clean a dirty car like this without marring the paint.

[roushstage2]

Re: Have I been under a rock?

I think some of you are forgetting that the "Rinseless Wash Kit" offered by Meguiar's out of country is Last Touch...it is pretty slick stuff.

[Dubbin1]

Re: Have I been under a rock?

Mark Kleis is one of the moderators here on MOL.

I'm not too crazy about how far he was going with that wash mitt without rinsing it off. I'm sure the car was very clean to begin with but it fails as an instructional video.

[1970judge]

Re: Have I been under a rock?

Like I said, I tried it yesterday on my SLIGHTLY dirty car..mostly pollen that accumulated after I washed it the previous day. It turned out great, but as always my car will get very dirty very quick around here..then I will try it again and see the results. I will say this, two things I noticed doing it this way.

1) the surface was very, very slick

2) my wash mit got way dirtier, way more quickly, doing it this time.

Leading me to believe it at least kind of worked as an ONR.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Have I been under a rock?

Here in SoCal where we often don't see rain for months at a time, a car will usually only get very dusty, and not truly dirty like it would in other parts of the country where it will exposed to heavy rain, etc. Certainly not anywhere near as dirty as a car in the snowbelt gets after a couple of days of exposure to road salt. Much of Australia, where we market a "waterless wash" falls into the SoCal type of climate (and they have crazy strict water usage regulations in some areas). So, in this type of very dry climate a dilute Last Touch wash works quite well. But if you're in Wisconsin and your car is covered in road salt, ONR is probably the better choice.

[Mary S]

Re: Have I been under a rock?

I noticed that even ONR only claimed to be "almost" scratch free or something to that effect. With two 5-gallon buckets of water and grit guards I might take a chance and try this. It may use more water, but it would allow me to wash a car in my garage when the weather is bad.

[1970judge]

Re: Have I been under a rock?

Here in SoCal where we often don't see rain for months at a time, a car will usually only get very dusty, and not truly dirty like it would in other parts of the country where it will exposed to heavy rain, etc. Certainly not anywhere near as dirty as a car in the snowbelt gets after a couple of days of exposure to road salt. Much of Australia, where we market a "waterless wash" falls into the SoCal type of climate (and they have crazy strict water usage regulations in some areas). So, in this type of very dry climate a dilute Last Touch wash works quite well. But if you're in Wisconsin and your car is covered in road salt, ONR is probably the better choice.

I am glad one of the Meg's people finally chimed in. It is interesting for sure, but I will try it either way once more. I will eventually get around to ONR I am sure, but for now using what I had, LT was a good substitute.

[Michael Stoops]

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It may use more water, but it would allow me to wash a car in my garage when the weather is bad.

And that is the whole point to ONR. It was never intended to be a 100% substitute for a more traditional wash, and for maintaining a perfectly prepared vehicle that has gotten seriously dirty, it's probably not the best choice. But.... when you really need to get a seriously dirty car clean, and the winter weather is conspiring against you and your outside water has been shut off to prevent the pipes from freezing, it's probably second to none.

For a mobile detailer who fully intends to machine polish a client vehicle immediately after washing, it's great too because it lets you travel with less water, and create far less runoff than other processes do.

But is it the be all and end all of car washes? No.

[Tuck91]

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And that is the whole point to ONR. It was never intended to be a 100% substitute for a more traditional wash, and for maintaining a perfectly prepared vehicle that has gotten seriously dirty, it's probably not the best choice. But.... when you really need to get a seriously dirty car clean, and the winter weather is conspiring against you and your outside water has been shut off to prevent the pipes from freezing, it's probably second to none.

For a mobile detailer who fully intends to machine polish a client vehicle immediately after washing, it's great too because it lets you travel with less water, and create far less runoff than other processes do.

But is it the be all and end all of car washes? No.

Exactly.

I know we have a lot of ONR fans on this site, but I still do not think it is the second coming.

[ClearlyCoated]

Re: Have I been under a rock?

And that is the whole point to ONR. It was never intended to be a 100% substitute for a more traditional wash, and for maintaining a perfectly prepared vehicle that has gotten seriously dirty, it's probably not the best choice. But.... when you really need to get a seriously dirty car clean, and the winter weather is conspiring against you and your outside water has been shut off to prevent the pipes from freezing, it's probably second to none.

For a mobile detailer who fully intends to machine polish a client vehicle immediately after washing, it's great too because it lets you travel with less water, and create far less runoff than other processes do.

But is it the be all and end all of car washes? No.

I currently have my car on a 3:1 rinseless wash to full wash cycle. Once a month, I give my car the traditional 2 bucket wash. The remaining three weeks I use ONR/Last Touch (sometimes twice in one week). It works out well for me, and my landlord is happy that I'm not jacking up the water bill.