Little Help on this case.

[Ryan_Bihun89]

Im going to work on a Japanese Import car, a Red Honda Logo. Im from Dominican Republic. So dealers sometimes buy second hands car in Japan, they bring it to DR and they sell it to us ("Customers").

Sometimes the paintjob is great but sometimes is bad because they let it parked in the Pier for a long time until the dealer pays the taxes etc.

The case is this:
The car is red but the Hood, Passanger side front, and roof have turned to a pinkish color but the clearcoat is in great shape.

The car actually looks alike this car, but beautechnique-scoot didnt sayd wich product he used to get this look and revive the paint color.

Link to Thread: http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...ighlight=corsa

In my inventory i have,
#85,#83, UC, ScratcX2.0, SwirlX, UQD, CW, DAPC,NXT 2.0 Wax, Gold Class Car wash, NXT Car wash, M105, #80 and a long line of products wich i cant remember right now.
I have a DeWalt Polisher/ Car Buffer 1000-3500 variable speed and a DA Waxer/Buffer with lambswool pad, foam pad and terry towel pad.

What are the steps and Products i need to achieve a result like this one?

Im new to the forum but i hope i can learn things from the guys who realy knows, and help in things i really know about.

Im an expert with the DeWalt RP (but i work my way arround), but i work quite good with the DA.

Please, can someone help me with this.

Thanks in advance.
Best Regards.

Ryan Bihun

[CieraSL]

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Quote from the thread you linked:

Bonnet under heavy work, it was so dull that it took lambswool and faraclae G3 to break it then refined down with LC polishing pad and power finish, finally menz final finish on finishing pad.

So it looks like his process was:
Farecla G3 with wool pad
Menzerna Power Finish with polishing pad
Menzerna Final Finish on finishing pad

I don't know what the Meg's equivalent(s) of those products would be. My guess would be to go with the M83/M80 combo, since it sounds like the paint could probably use the polishing oils that those products offer. Hopefully others with more experience will chime in with regard to proper tool, products, pads, etc.

[Ryan_Bihun89]

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First time in my live i hear about those products, i did some research and found something in Autogeek. As i can see... and actually just thinking not sure..the G3 would be equal to M105, the Menzerna Power Finish would be like SwirlX and the Final Finish is like M205 since is just to polish and remove the swirls.
Someone correct me if im wrong.

Im just guessing im not sure about these.

Thanks a lot CieraSL for your reply. At least now i know wich products he used.

Does anybody else know how to get a Red car Oxidized paint to Live (Red)?

Thank you.

[Murr1525]

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Yeah, sounds like wash and clay, then you'll need to look at paint cleaners.

Starting with #80 would be good for a test spot, I dont know if I would use #83, or go with #105 if soemthing stronger was needed.

[Ryan_Bihun89]

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Yeah, sounds like wash and clay, then you'll need to look at paint cleaners.

Starting with #80 would be good for a test spot, I dont know if I would use #83, or go with #105 if soemthing stronger was needed.

So your saying there is no need to use UC? I wont upload a picture of the car because is the same thing as the thread sayd before.

All i need to do is Wash, Clay, PC, and #83 (for a test spot) if not the spected result go up to #105?

What polisher should i use for this?
A DA or the DeWalt polisher. I know that since ill be working with compounds ill need the DeWalt but still want to ask. Will the DA do the same job?

Thanks.

[CieraSL]

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Actually, you might try Ultimate Compound on the DA. I remembered this detail, where I used UC by hand to revive the rather dull paint on a red Mustang: http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37008. I'm sure if I had a DA it would have turned out much better. In my experiences with UC it has finished out LSP ready, however if you notice hazing you could follow up with a milder product like Swirl X. I have every bit of confidence in UC. Just my two cents.

[Murr1525]

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So your saying there is no need to use UC? I wont upload a picture of the car because is the same thing as the thread sayd before.

Not sure I typed what I meant properly. I think #105 will be easier to use than #83, so I would go with that if a strong product is needed.

UC and #105 are similar, with #105 being a bit stronger. You can certainly try either one, or both on test spots as needed.

All i need to do is Wash, Clay, PC, and #83 (for a test spot) if not the spected result go up to #105?

I would say if 2 applications of #80 dont do it, then you can step up to the stronger products, as mentioned above.

What polisher should i use for this?
A DA or the DeWalt polisher. I know that since ill be working with compounds ill need the DeWalt but still want to ask. Will the DA do the same job?

I am not a rotary expert, so others will have to chime in on that. But the UC, #105, etc can certainly be used with the DA as well.

As usual, if not sure what to do, gentler is better to start off with.

[Caress Detailing]

Re: Little Help on this case.

Not sure I typed what I meant properly. I think #105 will be easier to use than #83, so I would go with that if a strong product is needed.

UC and #105 are similar, with #105 being a bit stronger. You can certainly try either one, or both on test spots as needed.



I would say if 2 applications of #80 dont do it, then you can step up to the stronger products, as mentioned above.



I am not a rotary expert, so others will have to chime in on that. But the UC, #105, etc can certainly be used with the DA as well.

As usual, if not sure what to do, gentler is better to start off with.

M105 is definitely more aggressive than UC, however UC was much easier to use for me. M105 tends to dry up too fast and start gumming.

[Ryan_Bihun89]

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Well guys.... Thanks a lot for the Help... I guess ill be using UC with the DA to remove that oxidized paint and try to revive the color.. Ill post the Picture later on the Show your work section.

Thank you all so much for your help.... It has been greatly appreciated.

Thank you all

[Ryan_Bihun89]

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Also guys, i would like to know what pad to correctly use. Does the UC needs to be used with a wool cutting pad or with a polishing pad?

Cheers and thanks.

Ryan

[CieraSL]

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Also guys, i would like to know what pad to correctly use. Does the UC needs to be used with a wool cutting pad or with a polishing pad?

I don't think UC is meant to be used with a wool pad. Probably ought to stick with a foam polishing pad. And as a general rule, Honda paint usually tends to be fairly soft and easily workable, so a less aggressive pad should work just fine. Good luck!

[yalerd]

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I really don't get the machines that you have. You have a rotary DeWalt, a Dual Action Polisher and a Orbital Buffer?

One thing that you must keep in mind, since this vehicle is not new, chances are that is has been repainted. If it's been repainted this new paint doesn't have to behave the same as the original paint (easier or harder to correct).

Another things to keep in mind, if the car is repainted, not necessarily the new paint has to match colors with the original paint. If this is the issue than you won't be able by polishing paint make the colors match.

Best thing I would recommend is to a test spot first to know what you are dealing with and inform your customer what can be done and what you can't fix.

[Ryan_Bihun89]

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I really don't get the machines that you have. You have a rotary DeWalt, a Dual Action Polisher and a Orbital Buffer?

One thing that you must keep in mind, since this vehicle is not new, chances are that is has been repainted. If it's been repainted this new paint doesn't have to behave the same as the original paint (easier or harder to correct).

Another things to keep in mind, if the car is repainted, not necessarily the new paint has to match colors with the original paint. If this is the issue than you won't be able by polishing paint make the colors match.

Best thing I would recommend is to a test spot first to know what you are dealing with and inform your customer what can be done and what you can't fix.

Thank you Yale for your reply, I have a Rotary DeWalt with variable speed, and a DA Polisher and a 11' DA Buffer with bonnets.

Ill do the test spot to see hows the paint its going to behave. And i told the customer if the car was repainted here or in japan and they didnt knew what answer to give me.

I see the clearcoat in the finish pretty healthy its just that underneath on the Color of the car its kinda pink instead of red.

But thank you for your reply.
Ill upload some pictures later on. Today is holiday in DR.

Thanks