P21s 100% Carnuba Wax with Meguiar's Show Car Glaze?

[RSnider]

P21s 100% Carnuba Wax is a wipe on, wipe off (WOWO) wax, and it seems like when it is applied over Meguiar's Show Car Glaze, it is difficult to wipe off the P21s. It is as if the P21s is just smearing around. I tested the P21s on a section that did not have any glaze applied and it is extremely easy to remove. Additionally, when I examine the finished area treated with glaze and wax under an LED hand torch, it seems to produce a noticeable glare.

I'm beginning to wonder if the oil based Show Car Glaze and the P21s are mixing together, which would explain why the P21s is difficult to remove. Also, if the P21s and Show Car Glaze are mixing together, I'm afraid that will further reduce the already low durability of the P21s 100% Carnuba since the Show Car Glaze offers zero protection.

Has anyone else had a similar problem as this? Can anyone verify that an oil based glaze can or cannot be used with a WOWO type wax? Does the glaze need to be allowed to cure for a certain period of time before a WOWO wax can be applied on top?

[RGP]

Re: P21s 100% Carnuba Wax with Meguiar's Show Car Glaze?

I can't answer your question, but I eagerly await an answer as I ordered P21S just yesterday.

Detailed customer inquiries, per their website, can be addressed here:

http://www.p21s.com/contact/bis_cont.html

Lemme know what you find, please...

[searle]

Re: P21s 100% Carnuba Wax with Meguiar's Show Car Glaze?

Anytime I use M07 glaze I top it with NXT/NXT2.0 for a durable seal. I have then topped that NXT with #26, and/or P21S, and that worked fine (the PS21 went on and wipped just fine). P21S is slightly easier to apply/wipe and smells nicer, but I actually like the deeper finish of #26 better and it seems to last longer.

[RGP]

Re: P21s 100% Carnuba Wax with Meguiar's Show Car Glaze?

Regardless of which carnauba topping, what type of quick detailer is best? It seems if I use UQD and then UQW I'm tending to drift back toward the polymer end of the spectrum.

I'd really like some expert clarification on this...

Thanks a million!!!

[searle]

Re: P21s 100% Carnuba Wax with Meguiar's Show Car Glaze?

UQD is mostly for a quick clean of light dust etc off existing wax. It has some, but very little, wax. UQW has slightly more (polymer) wax, but is still a booster-wax mostly intended for use on top of a good wax coat. I do a good wax (polymer sealer NXT-2.0 and 2nd coat using carnuba #26) every 1-3 months, and then UQD or wash+UQW every week.

My thinking is that the #26 carnuba is the main LSP wax, and the UQD or UQW is a very minor top-up. i.e. I have 100%(starting)-50%(ending) carnuba with its great depth, and a light 0-10% ploymer helping shed water. When the main carnuba is wearing down (typically by around 2 months) I just do a full re-wax and am then back to the weekly wash+UQW

The UQD or UQW are good top-ups, but dont replace a full base wax.

[RGP]

Re: P21s 100% Carnuba Wax with Meguiar's Show Car Glaze?

So what you're pretty much saying is that UQW doesn't severely deteriorate the supposed additional depth and warmth of the upper carnauba layer? I guess like us all, I'm just over thinking things and beating it to death!

[Calais]

Re: P21s 100% Carnuba Wax with Meguiar's Show Car Glaze?

IME, using glazes with waxes that contain high oil content (like P21S and Pinnacle Souveran) is somewhat redundant. The reason why these WOWO waxes are so-called "beauty waxes" is because of their high oil content, that is also why a glaze improves the way paint looks. Like another poster said, apply your glaze, apply a sealant and then apply your high-oil LSP if you really have an urge to use that glaze. Find what you like and use it often...

[RGP]

Re: P21s 100% Carnuba Wax with Meguiar's Show Car Glaze?

IME, using glazes with waxes that contain high oil content (like P21S and Pinnacle Souveran) is somewhat redundant. The reason why these WOWO waxes are so-called "beauty waxes" is because of their high oil content, that is also why a glaze improves the way paint looks. Like another poster said, apply your glaze, apply a sealant and then apply your high-oil LSP if you really have an urge to use that glaze. Find what you like and use it often...

I've just order P21S, so I haven't had a chance to use it. The redundancy you refer to is that P21S has similar nourishing oils as found in #7? I hope that's correct, since it'll eliminate a needless #7 or #5 application. Any links to confirm this? All these products seem to be shrouded in mystery.

I'm finding the WOWO description of P21S to be a little disconcerting. I was under the impression that this was merely an easy to apply and easy to remove paste wax. What's with the WOWO nomenclature which I typically think applies more to UQW?

Not discrediting one bit. I'm just in the dark and searching for some concrete clarification.

Thanks as always!

[searle]

Re: P21s 100% Carnuba Wax with Meguiar's Show Car Glaze?

So what you're pretty much saying is that UQW doesn't severely deteriorate the supposed additional depth and warmth of the upper carnauba layer? I guess like us all, I'm just over thinking things and beating it to death!

There is almost no difference to my eyes, the UQD/UQW leaves the main #26 carnuba and just gives it a very slight topping. Since the Meguiars products are made to work together, that is not surprising (is in fact expected). I am unsure about mixing brands, but would expect that the UQW will still mostly just slightly top-up the P21S and leave the main P21S wax there, but you need to try it and see for yourself.

As the previous poster said, a M07 or DC1 glaze followed by P21S is slightly redundant, and the downside is that the glaze is not sealed with a durable sealant. P21S looks nice, but is not nearly as durable (in my opinion) as a sealant like NXT-2.0. Hence I personally fancy the M07 glaze with NXT-2.0 sealant, and a #26 carnuba top-up. I use my P21S for when I want a quick and easy shine-up, but dont expect it to be particularly durable.

All just my opinion.