This is unheard of but Zymol??

[S60slipstream]

For the stangest reason, I received a bottle of Zymol Cleaner Wax as a gift. Did a bit of checking and this ain't the high end expensive Zymol. Think many refer to this as the Blue Zymol. I am currently a staunch user of NXT Tech Wax (along with all the Meg pre-wax ritualistic polishes and cleaners). Knowing that the Zymol contains pure canauba which as a result should not be layered below the NXT, anyone have any opinions about how this will go if I were to apply it over the NXT? Do not wanna try it out till I get a sense of what exactly this would do

[Mike Phillips]

If you want to test this product out to see what it will do, then I would suggest doing this.

Wash or wipe down car so that it is clean.

If you like the results you're getting with NXT Tech Wax, then apply a coating to the hood or the deck lid, remove after it has dried to a haze, usually about 10 to 15 minutes longer in cold, wet weather. Then, apply this product to a section about one foot square following the directions. After you have remove it from this section, inspect the two areas closely under different lighting conditions if possible to see if there is any difference.

The product will either build on the results the Tech Wax creates, or diminish them.

Topping NXT or other products

Mike

[TOGWT]

Re: This is unheard of but Zymol??

Originally posted by S60slipstream
For the stangest reason, I received a bottle of Zymol Cleaner Wax as a gift. Did a bit of checking and this ain't the high end expensive Zymol. Think many refer to this as the Blue Zymol. I am currently a staunch user of NXT Tech Wax (along with all the Meg pre-wax ritualistic polishes and cleaners). Knowing that the Zymol contains pure canauba which as a result should not be layered below the NXT, anyone have any opinions about how this will go if I were to apply it over the NXT? Do not wanna try it out till I get a sense of what exactly this would do

~One man’s opinion / observations~

“anyone have any opinions about how this will go if I were to apply it over the NXT? Do not wanna try it out till I get a sense of what exactly this would do “

If you apply Zymol Cleaner Wax (or any other cleaner wax) on top of anything (inc. NXT) it will remove (clean) it

A side-by-side comparison might be interesting, but I will add that Zymol does not have good durability

~Hope this helps~

Knowledge unshared is experience wasted [each one / teach one]
justadumbarchitect / so I question everything/ JonM

[Mike Phillips]

I would agree with TOGWT, if the Zymol Cleaner/Wax offers good cleaning ability, it should remove some/most/all of any previously applied wax. Your application material will also affect a cleaner/waxes cleaning ability.

A lot of people like to use Meguiar's ColorX, (a strong cleaner/wax), first to prep their car's finish and then apply the NXT Tech Wax as their LSP, (Last Step Product), for better protection and appearance.

If you like the Zymol cleaner/wax, or just want to use it up, then you could follow the ColorX/Tech Wax combination only substitute the Zymol cleaner/wax for the ColorX.

Mike

[Rick]

My two cents.

I had a friend who swore by Zymol and finally conviced me to waste my money on a bottle. First I hated the smell, it actually kind of made me nauscious and sick in the stomach. I applied it in the garage late one night and the next morning pulled out in the sun to get a better look. I pretty much immediately went and got my all purpose cleaner so I could remove it and start over with Meguiar's stuff. NXT is far superior. And as for durrability of Zymol I tried putting some on my shower doors (hey it was just gonna go to waste anyways) and it was all gone two days later.

[S60slipstream]

Thanks all for the opinions. Agree that the cleaner/wax properties will simply remove existing layers. Prefer to try the ColorX replacement approach (mind you all, I am only trying to make use of something I received). However, it is stated on the bottle that Zymol has 12% carnauba, and comprises natural ingredients and knowing that NXT cannot be layered on top of carnauba (may be wrong on this), what next?

Maybe just re-gift the Zymol to someone else...

[Mosca]

I really like the smell of the Zymöl wax. It dusts a lot, stains trim, looks nice & wet for a while, and it wears off in about 6 weeks.

I had some and gave the bottle away. It's not that it's bad, but there are better choices for the money; there are better choices for half the money. Even if it's free, if you have NXT on hand why use the Zymöl? On the other hand, someone who wants a free bottle of wax and who isn't picky will appreciate the gift.

And I don't think that the product itself is 12% carnauba; I think that 12% of the wax in the product is carnauba. (notice that I have no actual knowledge of that, it's just what I think. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again, and I could be wrong this time too.)


Tom

[Slats]

I bought some Zymol a while ago after a guy told me it was the best wax. He said it would make rain sheet off to prevent water spots but it didn't.

I know Zymol smells really really good, but don't eat it. But since it has such good ingredients and aloe, maybe it would work as sunscreen....In the meantime I'll be using mine to wax the shower....

Slats

[S60slipstream]

This is unheard of but Zymol? - Side by side test

Finally managed to perform the side-by-side test suggested by Mike. Did it on the bonet of my S60. Below are the photos. You be the judge...

This is the picture of the overall bonet.
LEFT HALF comprises DC1, DC2 followed by NXT.
BOTTOM RIGHT QUARDRANT comprises DC1, DC2, NXT and Zymol layered on top of NXT
TOP RIGHT QUARDRANT comprises Zymol as base/cleaner, followed by DC2, then NXT


This is the left half (DC1-DC2-NXT). Used a yellow flower as anything heavier I used would slide off the bonet. Also the colour of the flower is a "control" for the photo to indicate the clarity of the picture


This is the bottom right quardrant (DC1-DC2-NXT-Zymol)


This is the top right quardrant (Zymol-DC2-NXT)


With the naked eye, it is apparent that the Zymol-DC2-NXT combination has the least reflectivity/mirror effect, though this is marginal. I found it very difficult to distinguish between the DC1-DC2-NXT and the DC1-DC2-NXT-Zymol sections. Maybe the latter has a deeper shine because of the carnauba in the Zymol, but honestly I found it very hard to tell. Maybe using something like the Gold Class Wax on top of NXT may produce a richer gloss. Nevertheless, Zymol is significantly more difficult to work with, especially the process to spray a mist of water and buff as a finishing step.

[S60slipstream]

Whoops..first time posting pictures. Copied the link to the thumbnails. Will retry and post in the same order

This is the picture of the overall bonet.
LEFT HALF comprises DC1, DC2 followed by NXT.
BOTTOM RIGHT QUARDRANT comprises DC1, DC2, NXT and Zymol layered on top of NXT
TOP RIGHT QUARDRANT comprises Zymol as base/cleaner, followed by DC2, then NXT


This is the left half (DC1-DC2-NXT). Used a yellow flower as anything heavier I used would slide off the bonet. Also the colour of the flower is a "control" for the photo to indicate the clarity of the picture


This is the bottom right quardrant (DC1-DC2-NXT-Zymol)


This is the top right quardrant (Zymol-DC2-NXT)

[03TRDBlack]

Um...they all look the same to me.....

[manueljlg]

I have Zymol Cleaner Wax but I don´t like it. I gives a decent shine for a week, but you have to deal with stained trim and dust for a month.
I see in your photos a little more gloss on the Zymol side, but I´m sure it won´t last long.

[S60slipstream]

Hi Manueljlg,

Think you may be right about the extra gloss (vs reflectivity) on the Zymol. What this translates to will be:

1) Will next try the Gold Class Wax to top up NXT just for the heck of it. Think there are already forumners who have tried this. Also read a recent forumner try #16. That appears to be more favourable but I have not seen #16 sold in this part of the world

2) Do no see the extra gloss to be a very significant difference (notice that I did not use the words "significant improvement"

3) Will leave the Zymol aside for now

[zey]

Hi S60slipstream,

I would recommend you to use the following product as the topper/LSP on top of NXT:

#16 Professional Paste Wax



I just sent you a PM, did you get it?

[manueljlg]

#16 is an awesome wax.
On my truck (silver metallic), NXT doesn´t really stand out. I have tried MPPP, Gold Glass Wax, DC Step 3, Cleaner Wax, Tech Wax, and Zymol Cleaner Wax. So far, #16 is the only wax that leaves me admiring my paint for hours.
I see you have a Black Volvo, so I don´t know if #16 will do the same for yours.
Mike P. wrote a very interesting post about gloss and #16 that I´m going to quote:

I don't think Tim actually said it worked better, it's just a different approach. Meguiar's #20 Polymer Sealant is a popular paint sealant that lasts a long time and protects very well. It doesn't always create the deepest, richest looking results on dark colors and black paint. Products like #26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax, Gold Class and NXT are better at bringing out the best results in a darker color.

Same goes for #16 Professional Paste Wax. Side by side on a black car, #26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax, Gold Class and NXT Tech Wax will all add more richness, depth and clarity than the #16 Professional Paste Wax.

What #16 Professional Paste will do is add a lot of gloss. Lighter color paints don't offer depth of shine and the ability to reflect an image like a dark color or black paint will. Because you cannot bring these characteristics out of light colors like you can dark colors, you are left with going for gloss and shine. Gloss and shine come from a very smooth surface. If you look at Tim's pictures, you will see a very high gloss finish. That's because he smoothed out the paint with clay and then a cleaner polish. The #20 added protection and slickness and the #16 added extra gloss and shine.

It's just a different approach using different products. The #20 Polymer Sealant has been around since at least the 1980's, possibly the 1970's and the formula has been improved as technology improves. The #16 Professional Paste Wax has been around since 1951 and I don't know if it has ever been changed or improved. I'll ask though.

Two very excellent product that have stood the test of time, which is the true test of all.

Mike

This is the link:

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3678&highlight=16+and+gloss