Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

[lexterminator]

Hi folks,

I'm planning on trying various spot tests and was wondering if that could work fine.

1- Wash the car
2- Clay bar if needed
3- ColorX
5- #5 or #7
6- NXT 2.0


Would I be working for nothing when applying #5 or #7 ? Just curious. thanks !

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

You can apply M05 or M07 after ColorX but it won't necessarily give you the full potential of either product. The color of the vehicle will have some impact on this as well since darker colors show a more dramatic difference when a pure polish is applied.

What are you working on, what sort of condition is it in and what is your final expectation?

[lexterminator]

Re: Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

Hi Mike,

I have a 2009 Cadillac CTS black raven (non-metallic). I live in a dusty and dirty area with lots of constructions. The car has some mild scratches that I can live with at least for this year before winter time (I'm in upper Canada) but not much swirls so far. The small scratches only shows in direct sunlight, on regular daylight the car is like a mirror even looked from about a foot. I'm satisfied with that. I got rid of some bad holograms left by the dealer when using my PorterCable 7424 and SwirlX but it's quite a job.

I posted another thread because I struggle finding a mild cleaner that doesn't add micro scratches in preparation of applying the wax. Maybe I should just wash, clay bar, use a pure polish such as # 5 and then NXT 2.0. What do you think ?

thanks

[RGP]

Re: Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

My car is new so I've only done the most limited spots of paint correction. I've used #7 on pure red non metallic with fantastic results. I have some #5 on order just to give it a try. #5 is supposed to haze over before removal while #7 is supposed to be removed before it drys. I'll be curious as to your comparisons between the two polishes. I finish off with NXT 2.0 paste with terrific results.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

We don't want to duplicate efforts here since this was asked of you in the other thread, but what pad are you using for your final, light cleaning step? None of the products you mentioned should even have the ability to leave micro marring, but your pad choice sure can. Since you already have SwirlX in your possession you may want to try a follow up pass of it on a finishing pad like Meguiar's W9207, using only light to moderate pressure and speed 4 on the machine.

[roushstage2]

Re: Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

Hi folks,

I'm planning on trying various spot tests and was wondering if that could work fine.

1- Wash the car
2- Clay bar if needed
3- ColorX
5- #5 or #7
6- NXT 2.0


Would I be working for nothing when applying #5 or #7 ? Just curious. thanks !

Are you using ColorX for cleaning the paint, or just because? If you are not using it for mild correction, I say skip that step. ColorX does have some polish in it, so at that point, I'd say rub some M05 or M07 on a test spot, see if you can even tell a difference. If not, you may have just saved yourself a lot of work. My thoughts anyways...

#5 is supposed to haze over before removal while #7 is supposed to be removed before it drys.

No polish is supposed to dry; they are to be removed immediately after applying. The difference between the two is that M05 does a better job in more humid conditions, whereas M07 users may experience problems (there are many threads about this). That being said, if you can use M07 over M05, I would simply because M07 has the most polishing oils in it out of all other polishes Meguiar's offers, so you would be getting the most benefit from it; polish and benefit wise.

[lexterminator]

Re: Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

Thanks, you are right, I'll try polish with #5 or #7 (I have to look at stores around to find one of the two or both). Was more curious to see if ColorX could be used as a prep base before the wax. I have to say it does work when being gentle with the pad and not spending to much time on the spot.

Regarding the micro marring, my little tests were done by hand so far. I guess it's then because of my wrong technique or wrong pad or both ! Will do more little tests. I'm having a hard time finding nice foam pads here. They don't look that "condensed" and smooth. One thing is that every time I was a more thorough rubbing it creates tiny scratches. When being mild and not spending too much time at the same place it's fine. Was trying ColorX to remove those ultra fine scratches but it creates some instead. Either not working on it long enough to be effective or wrong pad. Will keep shopping and testing. Thanks.

[Eddie6th]

Re: Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

This is something i tried on a black panel. DC2 will give your car more depth and RGP can vouch for that. #7 is equivalent.

Let's see some DC2 Polish at work.

[RGP]

Re: Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

No polish is supposed to dry; they are to be removed immediately after applying. The difference between the two is that M05 does a better job in more humid conditions, whereas M07 users may experience problems (there are many threads about this). That being said, if you can use M07 over M05, I would simply because M07 has the most polishing oils in it out of all other polishes Meguiar's offers, so you would be getting the most benefit from it; polish and benefit wise.

That was my initial understanding also. This copy from ADS tends to contradict us both. Perhaps Megs can chime in here. Still waiting to see the actual bottle itself. Wouldn't it be cool if Megs could include a pdf of the actual product labels to their web site? Sure would eliminate the dissemination of a lot of erroneous information.

Meguiar's M05 New Car Glaze Meguiar's M05 New Car Glaze Item Code: M0516 Reg. $12.50 Sale: $10.49 Availability: In stock and available to ship. Quantity:

High gloss finish with minimum effort!

Description Directions Meguiar's New Car Glaze produces a high gloss finish with minimum effort. As you work it in, Meguiar's New Car Glaze provides rich nutrients to restore paint's shine. Ideal for humid conditions. Safe and effect on fiberglass, plastic and paint. METHOD OF APPLICATION: For use by hand, orbital buffer, D.A. polisher or rotary buffer. (Note: If using a rotary buffer, be sure you are familiar with its proper use.) DIRECTIONS: Shake well. Apply in the shade on a cool surface. Apply to one section at a time. Do not apply to rubber or vinyl surfaces. If applying by hand, use a clean, dry, quality, 100% cotton terry cloth towel or sponge applicator. Using light pressure, spread product evenly over surface. Use overlapping strokes to ensure adequate coverage. Allow product to dry to a haze. Use a fresh terry cloth towel to wipe off residue. Turn to clean portion of towel for final wipe.

[roushstage2]

Re: Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

He might mean "skin?" It can sometimes make removal easier to let it sit just long enough to skin over so it doesn't just smear (for those who have had that problem). I do know that Meguiar's official recommendation is what I posted...unless it has changed without my knowledge.

[RGP]

Re: Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

I still can't get any definitive answer regarding the humid conditions.

Is #5 recommended because it's merely easier to apply and remove under high humidities...

OR

Is there something such as fogging or less clarity that occurs with #7 under high humidity?

I did a 5 v 7 search for nearly two hours and am now more confused than ever. I can't relocate a link for you, but a few have indicated that the 5 is more like an LSP in it's application and removal. Some have indicated that it takes on a powdery white and dusty film when applied too thickly.

Again, I sure wish we could have some PDF's of product labels to avoid all of this! Hint, Hint!!! Getting a freakin' shiny hood shouldn't be all this difficult!

[RGP]

Re: Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

He might mean "skin?" It can sometimes make removal easier to let it sit just long enough to skin over so it doesn't just smear (for those who have had that problem). I do know that Meguiar's official recommendation is what I posted...unless it has changed without my knowledge.

Here's a pretty good reference, Tyler. I can't vouch for a thing since I still haven't received my #5 order yet.

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=71389&postcount=4

[roushstage2]

Re: Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

I still can't get any definitive answer regarding the humid conditions.

Is #5 recommended because it's merely easier to apply and remove under high humidities...

OR

Is there something such as fogging or less clarity that occurs with #7 under high humidity?

I did a 5 v 7 search for nearly two hours and am now more confused than ever. I can't relocate a link for you, but a few have indicated that the 5 is more like an LSP in it's application and removal. Some have indicated that it takes on a powdery white and dusty film when applied too thickly.

Again, I sure wish we could have some PDF's of product labels to avoid all of this! Hint, Hint!!! Getting a freakin' shiny hood shouldn't be all this difficult!

Here's a pretty good reference, Tyler. I can't vouch for a thing since I still haven't received my #5 order yet.
http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/sho...89&postcount=4

M05 is formulated for more humid conditions, as stated even in that post. The folks from Florida can probably vouch for that (I know a few can, from Florida or not). I have not used it myself, but the only thing I could possibly imagine making it different in how/when to remove it is what it is formulated for. I can assure you that M07 removes very easily when applied and then immediately removed.

From Meguiars.com:

Unlike wax, a Meguiar's polish does not need to dry before removing it. This includes our pure polishes and our cleaner/polishes. The way to properly use a Meguiar's polish, is to thoroughly work these products into the surface one section at a time, then immediately remove the excess before beginning the next section.

Apply a Meguiar's polish as if you were applying a skin lotion to your skin. The more you work a Meguiar's polish into your car's finish the better. Do not apply too much at once however, because only a certain amount of polish can penetrate the surface at any one time. The excess polish will simply be removed when you're wiping off the excess product, thus wasting time and product.

Remember, thick, sloppy coatings of any company's products are more difficult to remove than thin, even coatings.

New Car Glaze produces a high gloss with minimum effort. Provides rich nutrients to restore paint's shine. Ideal for humid conditions. Safe and effect on fiberglass, plastic and paint.

Note the "humid conditions" part.

EDIT:
Found these that I remembered seeing:

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13187&highlight=M05

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4863&highlight=M05

So it seems that the dusting is from the product drying quickly due to the formulation. It's not that you let it dry (?); it seems it does it on it's own to compensate for the humidity.

More info from Mr. Phillips:

What's the difference between #3, #5 and #7?

#3 is formulated to be a very wet polish for use with a rotary buffer. This allows a users to work it longer without the #3 drying or gumming-up under time, heat and pressure.

Can it still be used by Hand? Why yes of course. I have met many people who prefer to use #3 by hand, over #7. It's called, Personal Preference. You'll never know what works best for you until you try it yourself. This product doesn't actually dry, it will skin, but not dry white like a wax or like the #5 New Car Glaze.

#5 is formulated to be a very dry polish. (compared to both #3 and #7) #5 is formulated to actually dry, and this is preferred by some users, especially in high humidity, or wet climates. The name, New Car Glaze, is admittedly somewhat confusing, considering this product came out in the early 1950's for use on New Cars back then. New cars back then were getting painted with Acrylic Lacquers and later Acrylic Enamels.

#7 is the richest, heaviest oil content pure polish Meguiar's makes. #7 is one of Meguiar's most famous products among serious car enthusiast around the world. And while it may be more difficult to remove from today's modern finishes, it's pretty hard to beat the results it can achieve when properly applied and removed from a properly prepared finish. It is completely non-abrasive and offers no cleaning ability in of itself and should only be applied to new or like new paint . On a properly prepared finish, it can make the paint look wet. That's because of it's rich concentration of polishing oils.

Once more, M05 is formulated to be dry to compensate for the humidity it seems. That would explain the dusting, which means some care needs to be taken, IMO, when using it so you do not go into a dry buff on the paint. I hope this helps clear some things up!

[RGP]

Re: Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

So, I guess it's just a matter of application and removal preferences. It's still curious that they don't want #7 to dry before removal, and therefore with that logic in mind, I would think that #7 would be ideal for high humidities since the humidity present would slow the drying prcess. Seems a tad backa$$wards.

This is apparently the best clarification out there: #5 New Car Glaze is a fast drying pure polish formulated to be used in humid climates where using a product like #7 Show Car Glaze can be slower and more difficult. This product came out in the 1950's when the commonly sprayed paints were lacquers and enamels. It can be used on modern clear coat finishes but probably a better choice for ease of use with less dusting problems would be Deep Crystal Polish.

The dusting you experienced is part of the fast drying features built-into the product.

The Deep Crystal Polish and the #7 Show Car Glaze pure polishes are dramatically much wetter and used correctly don't ever really dry, simply apply, work in and then wipe off.

Thanks for all the trench work in getting those links and pastes, Tyler!

I find it curious that you and I are mostly the only ones looking into this. Perhaps others are just as confused as I.

Oh well, once Big Brown gets here, I can tinker with my bottle of 5 and compare it to the great results I got with #7.

[Eddie6th]

Re: Can I apply #5 or #7 AFTER ColorX ?

It started small and snowballed.

Great reading here!