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  • A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

    Yesterday I detailed my wife's Honda CR-V. I did not do any paint correction. I didn't even touch the interior. But it still took me over five hours to get everything done that I wanted done. I honestly do not know why it takes me so long. Here was my process:

    1) Brushed the wheel wells with APC+.
    2) Cleaned the tires with Eimann Fabrik Tire Cleaner.
    3) Cleaned the rims and barrels with Gold Class All Wheel Cleaner.
    4) Washed the car with Gold Class shampoo.
    5) Dried the car and wiped down the door and trunk jams.
    6) Sprayed the wheel wells with Stoner Trim Shine.
    7) Sealed the car (paint, trim, and cladding) with Ultima Paint Guard Plus. UPGP is a wipe-on/walk away sealant and can be safely applied to plastic and metal trim. Thank gawd, it only takes me 15 minutes to seal the entire car. I have no idea if the CR-V would look better with another wax or sealant; but the ease of UPGP's use makes it a winner for me.
    8) Dressed the tires with Hot Shine Tire Gel. "She Who Must Be Obeyed" prefers the high gloss look.
    9) Dressed the wiper cowl with Ultima Tire and Trim Guard Plus. It's messy stuff and not nearly as easy to apply as Gold Class Trim Detailer; but it does last a couple of months and seems to provide sealant-like protection.
    10) Waxed the wheels with NXT.

    By the time I was finished, I was pooped.

    The next day I had to ask myself if I would ever commit myself to machine polishing the CR-V--and I had to answer, NO! The vehicle is just too big for me. First of all, with all of the black trim and cladding, it would take me half a day just to tape it up. Secondly, I don't like having to climb a step ladder to work on the roof. Thirdly, there are a lot of areas that are too narrow for my 7" pads. While I do have a Sonus 4" polishing pad, which I purchased for spot polishing, I would have to do a lot more than spot polishing. Buffing around all that trim makes me nervous.

    It was a revelation!

    Lads, I have met my detailing limit. While I am willing to commit myself to machine-polishing my little S2000 (Luthien is a labor of love), I simply am not willing to commit myself to the days (plural!) it would take me to machine-polish the CR-V. I rejoice that the glacier blue color hides a lot of imperfections. I know a lot of you own big trucks and SUVs. I know that somehow you are able to do full details of your vehicles in just one day and emotionally and physically survive the affair. I'm afraid, though, I just don't have what it takes. I hate to admit this to you guys, but there it is. As Dirty Harry liked to say, "A man's got to know his limitations." Well, I have just bumped into one of my insurmountable, intractable, insuperable detailing limitations.

    Where are the photos? Well, Ripley looks just like she did when we bought her a few months ago. But I did take a couple of pics of the freshly dressed tires. I've caught a little of Nick's enthusiasm for well-dressed tires. I haven't learned how to dress tires yet as well as Nick does--I can't quite got the hang of it yet--but I keep trying.





    I think I still prefer a satin, low gloss tire shine; but I'm not the one driving on these tires. I think they look pretty good, though.

    I had been planning on applying a paint cleaner to Ripley next month, perhaps accompanied by claying, in preparation for winter--but forget that! I'm just going to keep applying the UPGP and be satisfied. Come next spring, we shall see if I'm able to muster up the energy to do a full detail. But as far as machine polishing … well, a man's got to know his detailing limitations!

    Cheers,
    Al
    Swirls hide in the black molecular depths, only waiting for the right time to emerge and destroy your sanity.
    --Al Kimel

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    Re: A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

    Nice writeup, Al. Of course, I would think that with continual proper washing, claying, and waxing techniques, and always using the right tools and materials, you wouldn't really have to worry about machine polishing, because you wouldn't be instilling swirls and scratches into the paint. Maybe? Just a thought, trying to make you feel better. Did it work?
    Shane
    1995 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera SL

    If you trim yourself to fit the world you'll whittle yourself away. - Aaron Tippin

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    • #3
      Re: A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

      Nice work Al,

      The tires look pretty good and the dressing appears to be distributed pretty evenly. I will not let a car out of my hands unless I know the tires have been uniformely dressed and uniform coverage is achieved. I think you have mastered Hot Shine Tire Gel.

      But can I make a few suggestions?

      I have found using a microfiber applicator pad to dress the tires works very very well. I used to use a tire applicator but I was too rough on them and they usually fell apart within a few uses. I started using a MF applicator pad with either Hot Shine Tire Gel or All Season Dressing and this would never fail me. I always found it easier for some reason.

      As for buffing out Ripley,

      You should definitly look into using D151 Paint Reconditioning Cream or M66 Quick Detailer. I think that would work quite well depending on how hard or soft the paint is.

      Keep it up Al.
      Nick
      Tucker's Detailing Services
      815-954-0773
      2012 Ford Transit Connect

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      • #4
        Re: A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

        Al,

        I feel the same way about my wifes Trailblazer. I do a similar maintenance with a good claying thrown in every 6 months.

        Mike
        Why do we drive on a Parkway, and park on a Driveway

        George Carlin

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        • #5
          Re: A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

          Sounds like you take your time and make sure not a single thing is missed which is good!

          You could try this to alleviate your paint. Do paint correction on two panels every time you wax the CRV doing different ones each time. If your maintenance washes are pretty good, You should eventually have a swirl free car. It may take a while, but it could definitely relieve your pain.

          I once put swirls in my paint just to see what it looked like.

          I don't always detail cars, but when I do, I prefer Meguiar's.
          Remove swirls my friends.

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          • #6
            Re: A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

            Since Ripley appears to be to big for you, I think that a all in one would be what the Dr. ordered. It would save you some steps and that equates to time. Give #66 or #151 a try. Ripley will thank you.
            quality creates its own demand

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            • #7
              Re: A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

              Hi Al. I'm a bit surprised at your detailing limit. If you've got to tape a lot of plastic parts off to use a machine for correction,it's still quicker than by hand. Infact,when I see a thread where someone has completely removed swirls from a whole car by hand,I'm amazed.
              I used to own an HRV and the amount of paintwork was about the same as my civic. Only difference being the height. There are a lot of good step ladders out there that are very well designed and good to work with,and safe.
              If you have indoor facilities to work,that's even better. By the time you go around taping off items,your car will still be clean and uncontaminated. I have the opposite,and have to work outdoors with road dust and need to clean with detailer as I'm going along. It's annoying and takes longer to do the job,but I enjoy the results.
              Unfortunately,with most things,the preparation takes up the most time.Possibly 80%. Detailing is no exception. That's part of the fun.

              TOP

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              • #8
                Re: A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

                Originally posted by Tuck91 View Post
                Nice work Al,

                The tires look pretty good and the dressing appears to be distributed pretty evenly. I will not let a car out of my hands unless I know the tires have been uniformely dressed and uniform coverage is achieved. I think you have mastered Hot Shine Tire Gel.

                But can I make a few suggestions?

                I have found using a microfiber applicator pad to dress the tires works very very well. I used to use a tire applicator but I was too rough on them and they usually fell apart within a few uses. I started using a MF applicator pad with either Hot Shine Tire Gel or All Season Dressing and this would never fail me. I always found it easier for some reason.

                As for buffing out Ripley,

                You should definitly look into using D151 Paint Reconditioning Cream or M66 Quick Detailer. I think that would work quite well depending on how hard or soft the paint is.

                Keep it up Al.
                Good Point,

                I have noticed the same thing. The ribbing and lettering on the tires breaks down the foam applicators with a few uses.

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                • #9
                  Re: A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

                  It’s taking you so long because your doing a good job for yourself. IMHO, a good job takes time and when it’s your car or truck and your time..... who cares if it takes you longer than the next guy. It’s enjoyable isn’t it? The results are pleasing aren’t they?

                  About a month ago I did a full detail on my wife’s Yukon (my limit by the way ) that took about 18 hours over 2 days and enjoyed every minute and the results.

                  Also, I agree with Tuck and J.A.M.’s suggestion on the AIO (151 or 66) on the CR-V.

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                  • #10
                    Re: A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

                    Maybe you weren't in the mood? I know that sounds crazy, but I went ahead with a detail of my Cobalt a few months ago, and I just wasn't in the mood. It felt like I had reached my limit with it. I was only around the 4-5 hour mark. However, back when I had my Silverado, I had 12-13 hours in it (exterior) and I loved every second. Why? Because the result I received was fantastic, and I was really in the mood to give it proper care.

                    Not sure if that makes sense.
                    -James
                    2012 Chevy Silverado ECSB. Z71 4x4. 5.3


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                    • #11
                      Re: A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

                      Al
                      Thanks for writing this thread, i know how u feels, i did 2 this month....your works is so detail....and carefully you groomed your queens ride...fitting only to be driven by HRH..
                      She knows where your heart is.....give her some time, you wouldn't know what she will be telling her friends.....blessed is your wife, to find such a dedicating hubby

                      cheers
                      it only takes a little patience and plenty of PASSION!!

                      detailing blog

                      http://thedetailers.blogspot.com

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                      • #12
                        Re: A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

                        First car I ever tackled was a Black Grand Cherokee, hardly ever waxed, always washed at the car wash, and severely swirled. I attempted to go at it all at once. Probably the last time I'll do that. Took me two days, and I didn't even touch the top/roof or interior. A couple days after that one, I did a "quick" job on a soft top Mini, and it took me 5 hours straight with no break, again, didn't touch the interior.

                        What I try to do now is to take a good break between each panel and/or each product. Or to just completely perfect one panel per day.

                        It is important to set goals and expectations before starting a detail job.

                        At some point, we all must realize that no matter how perfect we get it, the car will just go back on the road again, and we'll be right back at it in time. As much as I'd like all my cars to look like a prize winning exotic showroom sportscar, there does come a point when "good enough" really is, for a daily driver.

                        My goals in detailing are not to make it look absolutely perfect (the closer it is, the harder you look for error), but to make it look a LOT better than it used to. This type of goal generally keeps me from putting WAY too much time into it.

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                        • #13
                          Re: A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

                          My detail limit anymore (exteriors anyways) due to not having any time is keeping the Roush looking it's best. Other than that, I've let the truck drop off for the most part since I'm not driving it all that much anymore; my G/F is. The closest I've come yet to fully detailing the exterior of the Neon since I got it last August is waxing it once at some point in time with ColorX...IIRC.

                          Physically I am able to do it; just no time. Still a limitation though. Ugh.

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                          • #14
                            Re: A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

                            Awww man, Kimel, are you giving up on Beren already?! Ripley, I mean...

                            I, too, have met my limit. For the past five days, I have spent a total of over 40 hours polishing my e92, a BMW coupe that is only a slightly bigger than your AP2!!! 20 hours was spent on swirl removal using a rotary and a wool pad. On two of the consecutive days I had a five hour roadtrip down to Seattle for business errands. I must admit that having a few daily drivers at my disposal gives me some flexibilities on working on my cars.

                            Perhaps you could spread out your processes on a few days. For example, interior on Wednesday, claying on Thursday, buffing on friday, polishing on a Saturday, and sealing on Sunday. Of course you would have to wash the vehicle in between these steps before you proceed to detailing.

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                            • #15
                              Re: A man's got to know his detailing limitations!

                              I often use the process described by THE INVISIBLE on our 2001 Honda Odyssey (nicknamed Hal) due to the size of the vehicle. Also did the neighbor's dark blue metallic Chevy Suburban over a two day period in the same manner. Gotta love the 3 step step ladder when working on those taller vehicles.....

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