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    I learned my lesson the hard way. Last May was a particularly wet and rainy month (thank God!). It rained several days each week, sometimes for many days at a stretch. I learned last September that after a rain it was better to wash the car rather than to quick detail it (see Wash or Wipe after Rain?); but it seemed fruitless to wash my car after a rainstorm, given that it was probably going to get rained upon the very next day; and I certainly didn't have time to wash daily anyway. And so Luthien was ignored for days on end

    It wasn't until early July that I observed that the rain water (and perhaps hard water from previous washings) had caused etching in the paint. I assumed that they would come right out with some nonabrasive paint cleaner, like DC1. Wrong! So as already reported, I eventually had to enlist the aid of local detailer Dan Wendell to remove the etchings with his rotary.

    So what to do when it rains? Though "semi-retired" (that's what an old guy calls unemployment), and therefore with some free time on my hands, I'm still not willing to spend multiple hours washing and re-washing my vehicle each week. I don't know about everyone else, but counting all the time it takes to prepare the buckets, pull out the hose, wash the wheels, tires, and wheel wells, rinse off the car, wash the car, rinse off and dry the car, attend to the the door and trunk jams, clean out the buckets and brushes, put the hose away, etc., etc., I find that two or three hours of my life have disappeared. Well, perhaps I'm prepared to give up two or three hours a week for my Luthien; but I'm not prepared to give up six or nine or twelve hours. I love her dearly, but I also have a wife who wants some loving, too.

    It rained a couple of days ago, so I decided to give Luthien an ONR wash yesterday. For those of you who are not acquainted with the product, Optimum No Rinse (ONR), made by Optimum Polymer Technologies, is a remarkable product. Add one or two ounces of ONR to two gallons of water and, voila!--you have a rinseless wash solution. Gently wipe it onto the dirty paint surface (sometimes you need to do a couple of passes to get the surface clean) and then gently dry. The polymers both encapsulate the dirt and provide a lubricant to protect the paint from abrasion as you wash and dry.

    I have used ONR a lot during the past nine months, especially during the winter months, and am still learning how to use it properly. I still prefer the old fashioned wash method with a hose (I've been using Gold Class shampoo this past year, but the bottle is just about empty and I have a bottle of NXT car wash waiting to be opened and tried), especially when I want to give the wheels and tires special attention. But the old fashioned way, as stated above, just takes so much darn time. But if one just wants to do a quick wash, ONR is the ticket. And you can ONR you car while it's sitting in your garage.

    As I said, I gave Luthien an ONR bath yesterday afternoon. I then went out last night and found myself, and Luthien, caught in a shower. I had no idea it was going to rain. Darn, darn, darn. So this afternoon I decided to give Luthien a quickie wash. I wasn't going to worry about the wheels or the top--just wash the paint and get rid of the water spots before they damage the paint.

    The whole process, including prep and clean-up, took me about 45 minutes. That's a heck of a lot better than 2 to 3 hours! You don't have to worry about pulling out and putting away the hose. You don't have to worry about the water prematurely drying on the paint. You don't have to worry about water dripping from all those hidden crevices.

    Tip of the day: if it rains and you need to do a quick wash of your car, ONR! Save some love, time, and energy for the significant others in your life.

    I hope that one day soon Meguiar's will release a product that it comparable, if not superior, to Optimum No Rinse.

    Cheers,
    Al
    Swirls hide in the black molecular depths, only waiting for the right time to emerge and destroy your sanity.
    --Al Kimel

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    Re: When you need a quick wash--ONR!

    Al, have you ever tried ONR in a spray bottle? Maybe a capful of ONR with a full pint spray bottle. Possibly even using DI water to help keep it in mist form and create minimal spotting. Wiping off with a microfiber? I'm curious how it would work.

    I also wonder what would happen to the ONR left over in the bottle until the next use. Wondering if it keeps after being mixed with water.

    Any thoughts?

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    • #3
      Re: When you need a quick wash--ONR!

      Great, interesting and thoughtful writeup .

      You clearly recommend ONR (I really want to try it), but I'm not sure if your writeup answers the question of "will it swirl my car?". I assume your answer is "no", hence your recommendation of ONR, but I must be sure.

      I have soft '09 Honda Civic paint...easily swirled. I still can't believe this stuff doesn't swirl one's car! I guess I'm just rambling now, and the only way to really know is to purchase it and follow through with a 6-month evaluation of the product. I'm really looking forward to saving water .

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      • #4
        Re: When you need a quick wash--ONR!

        Never had ONR swirl any cars I've worked on
        AeroCleanse, LLC
        Wisconsin's Elite Detailing Service
        www.aerocleanse.com

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        • #5
          Re: When you need a quick wash--ONR!

          I don't think ONR, or any car wash solution, will swirl your paint. What will swirl your paint are items that come in contact with the surface (towels, brushes, sponges).

          I'd highly suggest looking into a Grit-Guard and the Two Bucket method to help reduce the swirls from washings.
          NOTE: Post count does not reflect actual detailing knowledge.

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          • #6
            Re: When you need a quick wash--ONR!

            Originally posted by cardriver View Post
            You clearly recommend ONR (I really want to try it), but I'm not sure if your writeup answers the question of "will it swirl my car?". I assume your answer is "no", hence your recommendation of ONR, but I must be sure.
            I wish I was certain about that question, too. I too worry about it. I know how easily Honda paint swirls. I am resigned to the fact that no matter how careful I am in my wash procedure, whether by ordinary washing or by ONR washing, I will probably create micro-scratches and swirls.

            I'm afraid I can't offer you any guarantees. All I can say is that it doesn't seem to do more damage than ordinary washing.
            Swirls hide in the black molecular depths, only waiting for the right time to emerge and destroy your sanity.
            --Al Kimel

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            • #7
              Re: When you need a quick wash--ONR!

              Originally posted by HCAD View Post
              Al, have you ever tried ONR in a spray bottle? Maybe a capful of ONR with a full pint spray bottle. Possibly even using DI water to help keep it in mist form and create minimal spotting. Wiping off with a microfiber? I'm curious how it would work.

              I also wonder what would happen to the ONR left over in the bottle until the next use. Wondering if it keeps after being mixed with water.

              Any thoughts?
              I haven't tried it in a spray bottle, though I know that some folks do an ONR pre-wash by spraying it onto the paint. Check out the Definitive ONR Thread. Let us know how your experimentation goes.
              Swirls hide in the black molecular depths, only waiting for the right time to emerge and destroy your sanity.
              --Al Kimel

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              • #8
                Re: When you need a quick wash--ONR!

                Originally posted by ColonelCash View Post
                I don't think ONR, or any car wash solution, will swirl your paint. What will swirl your paint are items that come in contact with the surface (towels, brushes, sponges).

                I'd highly suggest looking into a Grit-Guard and the Two Bucket method to help reduce the swirls from washings.
                I should have been more clear .
                I obviously know that car wash liquids/agents themselves don't create swirls and scratch paint; it's the particles that become trapped in the "sponge" that one uses...or even the sponge itself if it is a poorly-designed, abrasive type of cloth material. Duh!

                I have 2 Grit Guards, and 2 buckets already,and use a MFChenille sponge already .
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                My question was (considering Akimel's experience w/ ONR) if ONR proved to be as "non-abrasive" as a regular car wash (I presoak in NXT, rinse, then coat in NXT again, then wash w/ NXT sponge).

                So far, based off a few responses, the answer is "yes" , and I sure will give it a try! Added to my ADS shopping list!

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                • #9
                  Re: When you need a quick wash--ONR!

                  It is a great investment, especially for those of us with a heated garage!
                  NOTE: Post count does not reflect actual detailing knowledge.

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                  • #10
                    Re: When you need a quick wash--ONR!

                    A few ONR (or QEW - Quick Easy Wash) tips to avoid swirls.

                    1. Use a hi-nap cotton chenille wash mitt.

                    2. Use two buckets with ONR (QEW) in both buckets. This helps to keep your washing solution strong with a lot of lubricity.

                    3. Make sure that you do the lower section of your vehicle last. It's probably the dirtiest.

                    4. Use a "junker mitt" for the wheels and tires.

                    5. Is you have a lot of "crud" on your vehicle do a "coin op" wash first

                    Yes, you may get a few swirls but then you get them with a regular washing too. That's why god invented the pc.

                    I've been using QEW during the winter months for the last five years. The stuff works but you have to be careful. (I prefer QEW to ONR, but that's just me.)

                    Tom

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                    • #11
                      Re: When you need a quick wash--ONR!

                      For those who are still wondering whether ONR washing will swirl paint, check out this new Autopia thread. I particularly like this comment:

                      The only thing I don't like about it is because the concept is still so foreign to me (Even though it's the only thing I use), whenever I'm going over my vehicles with a fine tooth comb and see a scratch here or there in the clear, I always find myself wondering if that was there before, or if the ONR did it.
                      I know exactly of which this man speaks. When I see a scratch or swirl, I too wonder whether it was there before I washed or was instilled by the ONR washing. I'm trying not to worry too much ... trying not to worry too much ... trying to not worry too much ...
                      Swirls hide in the black molecular depths, only waiting for the right time to emerge and destroy your sanity.
                      --Al Kimel

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                      • #12
                        Re: When you need a quick wash--ONR!

                        I'm liking the idea of ONR but living in rural No. California, our cars get nasty with dust and mills and road work and gravel roads and mud and and and.......

                        Thanks for the write up, looks interesting and a lot of people like it and use it in water strapped areas.....

                        I may try it someday.
                        Philippians 2:14 - Do all things without grumbling or questioning,

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                        • #13
                          Re: When you need a quick wash--ONR!

                          I'll give it a try. I guess my concern about instilling scratches can be reduced if I keep an bottle of ONR water handy and I spray each panel just prior to ONR'ing it. (I guess this could have a similar effect to a wet car, just before you give it a traditional wash). Plus, a spray bottle of ONR prepwater would be plenty to do the whole car, and you're only using an extra ~20oz of water!

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                          • #14
                            Re: When you need a quick wash--ONR!

                            Not sure why, but ONR is just not my cup of tea.
                            Nick
                            Tucker's Detailing Services
                            815-954-0773
                            2012 Ford Transit Connect

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                            • #15
                              Re: When you need a quick wash--ONR!

                              Dang! I wish you guys would quit posting write ups like this!! I went to ADS site and found it. Decided to order a small bottle and give it a try. Well, that small bottle.....and a few other goodies.... cost me $50!! If it works as described, it will be perfect for me. I do a lot of quick UQD wipe downs and often don't have time for a full wash when the car is just coated with kinda heavy dust. Anxious to try it.....
                              Barry

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