Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

[RGP]

Re: Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

I believe Ultimate Compound and SwirlX is the Consumer Duo of the Mirror Glaze M105 and M205.

Now that would be very interesting information to obtain. Can anyone confirm this? Since six or seven applications of Swirl X leaves something still to be desired, maybe I've got to go to a pure polish until I can grab a DA...

[Ryan L.]

Re: Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

Apparently Ryan, that seems to be the consensus. Either Deep Crystal #2, Show Car #7 or New Car #5. For the life of me I still cannot figure out how you can apply a non drying substrate and then apply NXT 2.0 directly over it without creating a gosh awful mess.

Others have suggested the Deep Crystal Polish. Here's my thought:
Given that micro polishing is my goal, would I then be better to opt for the Deep Crystal Cleaner as opposed to the Deep Crystal Polish? What I'm tryin' to figure out is: What is the finest abrasive available that I can apply by hand to burnish the finish to boost the sparkle before I apply NXT 2.0. i.e. Do I add "oils" or try to make the finish a tiny bit smoother and thus more reflective? Sorry to be so dense, but the term polish just seems inappropriate for something you just smear on. Old habits die hard.

I can see how you would think it doesn't work but it truely does. While I said don't let it dry, that doesn't mean it doesn't work. When your applying #7 to the finish on your car, the polishing oils are seeping in creating a high gloss. Then you remove the slight haze from the product and you'll see a perfectly clear finish again.

As to Deep Crystal Polish vs. Deep Crystal Cleaner...I remember reading earlier in this thread that your paint requires no defect removal. If that is the case, go straight to #7 or Deep Crystal Polish.

The oils like I said, seep into the paint a little to create the glossier, more reflective and deeper shine.

Trust me, you will not be disappointed with #7.

Ryan

[Ryan L.]

Re: Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

Now that would be very interesting information to obtain. Can anyone confirm this? Since six or seven applications of Swirl X leaves something still to be desired, maybe I've got to go to a pure polish until I can grab a DA...

Let's just say that information is true in some ways and not true in others.

Same basic principle in both but some different stuff as well.

Ryan

[RGP]

Re: Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

I can see how you would think it doesn't work but it truely does. While I said don't let it dry, that doesn't mean it doesn't work. When your applying #7 to the finish on your car, the polishing oils are seeping in creating a high gloss. Then you remove the slight haze from the product and you'll see a perfectly clear finish again.

As to Deep Crystal Polish vs. Deep Crystal Cleaner...I remember reading earlier in this thread that your paint requires no defect removal. If that is the case, go straight to #7 or Deep Crystal Polish.

The oils like I said, seep into the paint a little to create the glossier, more reflective and deeper shine.

Trust me, you will not be disappointed with #7.

Ryan

I'll give it a shot tomorrow, Ryan if I can locate it. Some suggest using the #5 in that it works somewhat better in high humidity, but if you can use #7 in San Antonio's climate, it should work in Florida also. I may have to settle for DC #2 since I doubt my local Discount/Advance Auto probably only has the consumer line. At least it'll give me an idea of how these things work.

I see you're pretty close to the Meguiar's folks. I've often thought that PDF files of the actual product label would be really helpful and eliminate a lot of my stupid questions. Whatcha think...

[Ryan L.]

Re: Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

I'll give it a shot tomorrow, Ryan if I can locate it. Some suggest using the #5 in that it works somewhat better in high humidity, but if you can use #7 in San Antonio's climate, it should work in Florida also. I may have to settle for DC #2 since I doubt my local Discount/Advance Auto probably only has the consumer line. At least it'll give me an idea of how these things work.

I see you're pretty close to the Meguiar's folks. I've often thought that PDF files of the actual product label would be really helpful and eliminate a lot of my stupid questions. Whatcha think...

I'm in San Diego, so the humidity is not too high here but where you are, #5 might actually work better.

DC#2 is fine if you cannot locate #7.

I think the PDF files is a great idea, I can pass it on to the appropriate person. Do you think just something typed in or have them scan the labels?

Ryan

[RGP]

Re: Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

I'm in San Diego, so the humidity is not too high here but where you are, #5 might actually work better.

DC#2 is fine if you cannot locate #7.

I think the PDF files is a great idea, I can pass it on to the appropriate person. Do you think just something typed in or have them scan the labels?

Ryan

Scanning would be really cool, but anything that represents the consumer information exactly as it's contained on the back of the container would suffice. My mis read means that San Diego might make me wanna try the #5. Thanks a million, Ryan!

[the_invisible]

Re: Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

Now that would be very interesting information to obtain. Can anyone confirm this? Since six or seven applications of Swirl X leaves something still to be desired, maybe I've got to go to a pure polish until I can grab a DA...

Keep in mind that I am not implying that the M105 or M205 are the same as the Ultimate Compound and SwirlX. I am simplying indicating that the Ultimate Compound is the closest Consumer equivalent of M105, while SwirlX very closely resembles M205. They are all totally different products, but I am simply stating the consensus on a conclusion drawn in the following threads. Meguiar's has neither confirmed nor denied those claims.

Ultimate Compound
SwirlX

If you are applying SwirlX correctly and patiently by hand, you shouldn't see a dramatic difference as compared to applying SwirlX with a DA. But that is not to say you shouldn't get a DA. As you have mentioned countlessly in your posts, you should really get one.

What car are you working on? Is your car lacking gloss compared to other identical cars you've seen on the street? Has your car been repaired previously? There's only so much you can achieve with liquid products. If you are not getting the result you want with products such as SwirlX, then perhaps you should consult a professional detailer for the correct course of action.

One thing to consider is that Meguiar's #7 is a temporary solution to gloss. The only times I used #7 were when my race car was featured on a calendar and when I had a photoshoot of my car. As its name implies, it is a show car glaze, meaning that it is normally applied to show cars prepared for a car show.

If there is an issue with your paint finish caused by defects such as factory sanding marks, orange peel, clear coat overspray, #7 is only going to hide these defects. Also, products like M105/M205 and UC/SwirlX are designed for corrections of swirls, etchings, RIDS, scratches, etc. If your paint has serious defects that are hindering its gloss, a more aggressive repair procedure will be necessary. Think Rotary or Sandpaper.

[the_invisible]

Re: Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

Here is a picture of a BMW 330 I detailed using the DC1-3 system.



You can see that gloss is hindered by the horrendous orange peel. I have a feeling that is the problem you are having.

[RGP]

Re: Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

That's pretty much where I am. It's totally not a factory flaw or any big deal. I'm just such a crazy nut about my cars. The average person would think the car looks totally flawless. That's the risk we all run hanging around sites like this. I'm anal retentive enough without feeding off of this forum. My search for perfection, which is impossible, has impacted me negatively all my life. Meds help somewhat, but oh well. Such is life...

[the_invisible]

Re: Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

We are both similar.

If you really want that perfection, then there's only one detailing solution to your desire. And you know what that is

[Eddie6th]

Re: Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

Hi bob,DC2 as mentioned earlier is a pure polish.With this,you apply small areas at a time and wipe off.If you let it dry,it will be very tough to come off and you will be rubbing a lot to remove it.

The whole terminology of polishing gets a bit mishmash in the carcare world.I know what you mean about metalwork.But in the case of your car,it already has a good,clean,smooth surface before applying DC2,so you are gently polishing the surface and I believe with DC2,you are adding essential oils.

I would say that I see polishing in the same way you do..

In my way of thinking,If I wash,dry and clay a surface,then I have cleaned it.It may be full of scratches and swirls or even dents,but it is clean...and that's it.

If I want to remove these scratches or swirls,and return the finish to having clarity and pure reflectivity,then I will be polishing it.Not including the dents...of course.

If I want to protect it and enhance the gloss,I wax it.

I think meguiar's looks at it a bit differently.To me,the old ScratchX is a polish or maybe cleaner/polish if you like,but I believe it is catoragized as a cleaner.Of course,I take this into consideration when i'm buying products.

I think we can go round in circles all night trying to decide what polishing means.

[Ryan L.]

Re: Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

Hi bob,DC2 as mentioned earlier is a pure polish.With this,you apply small areas at a time and wipe off.If you let it dry,it will be very tough to come off and you will be rubbing a lot to remove it.

The whole terminology of polishing gets a bit mishmash in the carcare world.I know what you mean about metalwork.But in the case of your car,it already has a good,clean,smooth surface before applying DC2,so you are gently polishing the surface and I believe with meguiar's products,you are adding essential oils.

I would say that I see polishing in the same way you do..

In my way of thinking,If I wash,dry and clay a surface,then I have cleaned it.It may be full of scratches and swirls or even dents,but it is clean...and that's it.

If I want to remove these scratches or swirls,and return the finish to having clarity and pure reflectivity,then I will be polishing it.Not including the dents...of course.

If I want to protect it and enhance the gloss,I wax it.

I think meguiar's looks at it a bit differently.To me,the old ScratchX is a polish or maybe cleaner/polish if you like,but I believe it is catoragized as a cleaner.Of course,I take this into consideration when i'm buying products.

I think we can go round in circles all night trying to decide what polishing means.

Everybody see's and says things different. But there is no changing what a product it is.

#7 is a pure polish with no cleaning abilities. ScratchX is a cleaner/polish with some cleaning ability and some polishing oils.

No matter what you call applying those, that's what they are.

Bob needs a pure polish, end of discussion.

Ryan

[the_invisible]

Re: Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

Hi bob,DC2 as mentioned earlier is a pure polish.With this,you apply small areas at a time and wipe off.If you let it dry,it will be very tough to come off and you will be rubbing a lot to remove it.

The whole terminology of polishing gets a bit mishmash in the carcare world.I know what you mean about metalwork.But in the case of your car,it already has a good,clean,smooth surface before applying DC2,so you are gently polishing the surface and I believe with DC2,you are adding essential oils.

I would say that I see polishing in the same way you do..

In my way of thinking,If I wash,dry and clay a surface,then I have cleaned it.It may be full of scratches and swirls or even dents,but it is clean...and that's it.

If I want to remove these scratches or swirls,and return the finish to having clarity and pure reflectivity,then I will be polishing it.Not including the dents...of course.

If I want to protect it and enhance the gloss,I wax it.

I think meguiar's looks at it a bit differently.To me,the old ScratchX is a polish or maybe cleaner/polish if you like,but I believe it is catoragized as a cleaner.Of course,I take this into consideration when i'm buying products.

I think we can go round in circles all night trying to decide what polishing means.

I totally agree.

[Eddie6th]

Re: Gloss enhancement advice greatly appreciated!!!

Everybody see's and says things different. But there is no changing what a product it is.

#7 is a pure polish with no cleaning abilities. ScratchX is a cleaner/polish with some cleaning ability and some polishing oils.

No matter what you call applying those, that's what they are.

Bob needs a pure polish,end of discussion.

Ryan

Ryan,I was told differently.
I asked if it was a cleaner/polish and was told 'no' it's a cleaner only.
Maybe a staff member might help here.
It doesn't bother me what a product is called.If I know it does a task,that's what I'll use it for.

Bob asked a question and I answered it.

[Michael Stoops]

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Bob, it really sounds as though the only thing you can do right now is to add a pure polish like Deep Crystal Polish, M07 Show Car Glaze, etc. and then a fresh coat of wax over it.

This comment of yours.....

That stuff seems pretty spooky to me. I just don't get how it doesn't dry but it can be a suitable substrate onto which I can apply a paste wax. Just seems like a left handed way to do things, and I question whether it's merely a temporary cosmetic fix.

.... is something we hear from time to time. In a way you are correct in thinking that a pure polish is a "temporary cosmetic fix". These products are designed to provide exactly what you're asking for - gloss enhancement - and that is ALL they are designed to do. Yes, they can, by simple nature of the composition of the product, conceal some finer marks in the paint and body shops often make use of this characteristic. But gloss is their forte. They also don't last long at all if allowed to remain as the top layer, so apply a coat of wax over them is mandatory if you're looking for any life out of the product.

We also consider a pure polish to be an option step. Not everyone wants or needs to spend the time applying a pure polish, and the name "Show Car Glaze" is a pretty good indicator of the product's intent. But someone like you, who has made it known that you've spent a good deal of time getting the surface of your car completely defect free and glowing, is the perfect candidate for taking this extra step.

You've seen the thread where red92s brought back his '67 Volvo, and this is a great time to remind you of his comments regarding application of a pure polish:

I will say that I was very very impressed by the DC Polish. I was skeptical that such a "wipe on, wipe off" product would improve the paint at all. After all that claying and ScratchX'ing, it was a HUGE relief to move to a product that is nearly effortless yet provides immediate results. It really was easy to use, and added depth and dimension that just wasn't there before. GREAT product for single stage paint.

He comments that it is a "GREAT product for single stage paint" and there is no denying that single stage paints benefit from this sort of product more than clear coat systems do, but it's also true that darker colors in general benefit more from pure polishes. Red tends to respond extremely well to them. Go for it.

Now, when you do pick up a G110, might we recommend M205 on a finishing pad at speed 4 with light to moderate pressure, and work gently for several minutes over a 2' square area. We did this on a Victory Red 2010 Camaro RS/SS at our last Thursday Night Open Garage (and topped with M26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax). The result was stunning. The paint was in beautiful shape to begin with, and many attendees were astonished at how much brighter and clearer the paint looked when we were finished. One even asked why in the world we were doing anything to the paint, because it looked so good. The final result gave him his answer.