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  • Fly Bye
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    Originally posted by Brook View Post

    Does this mean it can't happen if using a DA?


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  • Fly Bye
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    Originally posted by Mary S View Post

    What about a motorcycle with painted fiberglass? I had meant to ask this question. Is it better to use a DA, or do you need to watch out for that too?


    Is the fiberglass flexable?


    My bike has plastic panels, and I've never had a problem with cleaning/polishing them as they are pretty firm/sturdy.




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  • Brook
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    Originally posted by Michael Stoops View Post
    These are the kinds of things nobody thinks about when working by hand or with a G110, but you had better be aware of when using a rotary.
    Does this mean it can't happen if using a DA?

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  • Mary S
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    I had wondered about the plastic parts of the car that are painted. My car has quite a few, the fenders and rocker panels, and some trim. My husband has painted bumpers and also some side trim. So is the moral not to use a rotary on the plastic parts? What about a motorcycle with painted fiberglass? I had meant to ask this question. Is it better to use a DA, or do you need to watch out for that too?

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  • Fly Bye
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    Originally posted by Jossy92 View Post

    I don't feel so bad now about waxing my new car with rubbing compound back in the 60's.









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  • InfiniteDetail
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    Same exact thing happened to me, also on a Honda, except using the PC with 4" cutting pad.

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  • hacker-pschorr
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    Whoa.....I'm detailing a jaguar with rubber (or some non-metal) bumpers this weekend. Think I'll go extra slow.

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  • Jossy92
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    I think the operative word is "learning". I am guessing you have put a lot of that into your work over the years based on the support you are getting from you client. Hard competitive attention-to-detail work means always pushing your limits. Mistakes happen. I don't feel so bad now about waxing my new car with rubbing compound back in the 60's.

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  • RaskyR1
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    Originally posted by Carfire View Post
    Sorry to hear that Rasky!!

    Question: Did some of the paint chip off in paint wrinkling like in your picture?

    But good thing you have connections and that the owner still likes you.
    Keep Up the Great Work!!
    Yeah, I'm guess it wrinkled up and then the pad was still spinning over the area causing it to flake or chip off.

    Yes it does. I will only have to pay for materials and the labor for the painter. my father offered to remove, prep, and reinstall the bumper for free....by free I mean I will be detailing his car or something in return soon.

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  • Carfire
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    Sorry to hear that Rasky!!

    Question: Did some of the paint chip off in paint wrinkling like in your picture?

    But good thing you have connections and that the owner still likes you.
    Keep Up the Great Work!!

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  • Hemin8r
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    Sorry to see that happen, but glad to hear your customer was understanding and wants to continue business with you. That shows that you conduct yourself like a responsible and true professional. Thanks for the heads up.

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  • Michael Stoops
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    Originally posted by RaskyR1 View Post
    In the case the user almost certainly used really bad technique to cause such a problem - unless there was truly an issue with the paint. But we've seen people do all the serious no-no's at once with a D/A - cutting pad, speed 6, compound, all the pressure they could muster, and then dwell on one spot for a few minutes. All of this goes 100% against what we teach. Looks as though that unfortunate soul didn't even use the most aggressive products and he still ran into trouble, but he never did come clean on just aggressive he was.

    The big difference with a rotary is that this sort of thing can happen very quickly with only a slight loss of attention.

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  • TerryAdams
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    VERY helpful post! It's been told to us a couple of times on MOL. I seem to remember a post from KerrinJeff, regarding a Honda bumper that gave his team trouble too.

    A wool pad at 1100RPM wouldn't of caused that much heat into the paint? I bet a DA at Speed 5 with a polishing pad would have done the same to that paint area.

    I have much more respect for a detailer that will show his good details and show troubles he/she has encountered too! This helps _everyone_ on the forums.

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  • RaskyR1
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    Originally posted by Michael Stoops View Post
    These are the kinds of things nobody thinks about when working by hand or with a G110, but you had better be aware of when using a rotary. Yes, the flex agent in the paint can cause it to respond differently to the same input, but so can the way the different substrate beneath the paint dissipates heat.

    Rasky, we're really sorry to see this happen to you, but we very much appreciate a seasoned pro having the guts to freely post this for all to see. It's one thing to make a mistake, another to have to pay for it, but something different still to volunteer it in front of everyone and say "D'oh!!"

    It is guys like you that help others learn. Thank you.
    Thanks Mike! I definitely agree that the plastics inability to dissipate heat had something to do with it.


    I was really debating whether or not to post this but after talking with Tim Lingor, since it was his post I had seen long ago about the issue, and a few others, I decided it was the right thing to do.

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  • Michael Stoops
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    Re: A warning on "paint wrinkle"!!!

    These are the kinds of things nobody thinks about when working by hand or with a G110, but you had better be aware of when using a rotary. Yes, the flex agent in the paint can cause it to respond differently to the same input, but so can the way the different substrate beneath the paint dissipates heat.

    Rasky, we're really sorry to see this happen to you, but we very much appreciate a seasoned pro having the guts to freely post this for all to see. It's one thing to make a mistake, another to have to pay for it, but something different still to volunteer it in front of everyone and say "D'oh!!"

    It is guys like you that help others learn. Thank you.

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