#7 Showcar Glaze information, Please...

[RGP]

Re: #7 Showcar Glaze information, Please...

Meguiar's, on the other hand, uses polish to designate two kinds of products: products that enhance paint gloss by the application of oils and products that enhance paint gloss by the abrasive removal of defects and the generation of a smooth finish.

Finally, the answer I've been looking for!!!! That's not semantics, Akimel, that's a very precise answer and now it makes perfect sense to me. Thanks a million!

[rusty bumper]

Re: #7 Showcar Glaze information, Please...

...m81 hand polish and deep crystal polish, provides neither cleaning action nor protection

Actually, #81 does have a mild abrasive in it.

It is rated #1 on the abrasive scale.

[Murr1525]

Re: #7 Showcar Glaze information, Please...

The #1 rating on the scale could be from the applicator only.

[rusty bumper]

Re: #7 Showcar Glaze information, Please...

The #1 rating on the scale could be from the applicator only.

No, Mike Phillips confirmed the abrasives a few years back.

[Murr1525]

Re: #7 Showcar Glaze information, Please...

Interesting.

[akimel]

Re: #7 Showcar Glaze information, Please...

No, Mike Phillips confirmed the abrasives a few years back.

Rusty, I need to ask you for confirmation of this. From everything I have read about #81, it is a non-abrasive pure polish, in the same category as DC2 and #7. For example, here is Mike Phillip's:

M81 Hand Polish, like #7 is a "Pure Polish", this means it's non-abrasive. It's an modern formula for clear coat paints.

Mike again:

M81 Hand Polish is a pure polish very similar to M07 Show Car Glaze but easier to remove. It is completely non-abrasive and a perfect way to prepare paint for wax ...

And again:

A couple of things, M81 Hand Polish is completely non-abrasive, if you create any cleaning action, it will more be a matter of your applicator material and the action of your hand or your choice of machine.

I have never come across a Meguiar's statement that #81 contains abrasives. Can you direct me to such a statement, please. Thanks.

Cheers,
Al

[Slicked]

Re: #7 Showcar Glaze information, Please...

No, Mike Phillips confirmed the abrasives a few years back.

Can we get confirmation? Why would it be referred to as a pure polish if it is a cleaner/polish?

[Michael Stoops]

Re: #7 Showcar Glaze information, Please...

It's a confusing and chaotic semantic world.

That it can be!

Consider, though, that Meguiar's has been using these terms in the way described (quite well, we might add) by akimel since long before most of our competitors founders were born. Many companies will use the word "polish" to describe an abrasive product, many others do not, as akimel has already pointed out. How these companies arrive at these definitions can only be answered by them (and how one of our competitors uses the word "wax" in one sentence and "polish" in the next to describe the same product is anyone's guess!).

As for M81 Hand Polish, any cleaning ability it may have is so minimal as to be a non issue. Sort of like the extremely minimal cleaning ability often ascribed to NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0. We certainly don't classify NXT as a cleaner wax nor do we classify M81 as a cleaner/polish. Keep in mind that it is designed to be applied by hand in a fairly gentle action. That process won't generate much "cleaning" action even with M80 Speed Glaze, which most definitely is a cleaner/polish - so with M81, if you're looking to remove defects you're choosing the wrong product.

[rusty bumper]

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Can we get confirmation? Why would it be referred to as a pure polish if it is a cleaner/polish?

I didn't say it was a cleaner polish, but it does have some mild cleaning abilities. Even the bottle itself gives it a "one" on the abrasive scale.

It may take a while, but I will try and go over the archives to dig up what I read about four to five years ago...but it's possible that the info was lost. If I remember correctly, MOL lost some old posts in the early days due to hackers and server problems.

[rusty bumper]

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I don't seem to be able to find what I am looking for, but I do remember a few conversations about this issue of #81 containing mild abrasives. However, according to info I dug up from 2004 to 2005, Mike P. is quoted as saying that there are no mild abrasives in #81, so the evidence is weighted against me.

I would be interested in hearing what the chemists say about this though. If there truly are no mild abrasives in the polish, then it looks like the cleaning action of #81 should be a zero on the yellow bar scale...assuming the person applying the product only uses a Hi-Tech applicator pad.

[Tuck91]

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I too was confused to see why M81 was rated a 1 on the cut scale.

[Tim Lingor]

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Hey RB,

If I may chime in here,

Meguiar's M07 Show Car Glaze contains no ingredients with the intended purpose of cleaning the paint. Any cleaning would come from the mechanical action of the applicator or pad working against the paint's surface. The same can be said of the other pure polishes in the Meguiar's line up including: M03, M05, M81, M45 and DC 2. That question has come up numerous times over the years as the titile of "polish" can be a little confusing.

I hope that helps!

Tim

[akimel]

Re: #7 Showcar Glaze information, Please...

Both #3 and #81 are given a cut rating of 1. For whatever reasons (perhaps one of the Mikes can help us), neither #5 nor #7 are given a cut rating.

Here are a couple of old threads that may be of interest:

Understanding the Professional Line

Where to find a Meguiar's abrasive chart

And from a non-Meguiar's source:

Detailer's Products Chart

I don't imagine, though, it really matters. As Mr Stoops mentions above, whatever cleaning ability #81 may have, it is "so minimal as to be a non issue."

BTW, Rusty, is it possible that you are mis-remembering, perhaps confusing DC1 with 81? I know that for a long time it was believed that DC1 did not contain any diminishing abrasives but that eventually Mike P. confirmed that it did contain them. Anyway, do let us know if you find the thread you're looking for. Good luck!

Al

[rusty bumper]

Re: #7 Showcar Glaze information, Please...

Hey RB,

If I may chime in here,

Meguiar's M07 Show Car Glaze contains no ingredients with the intended purpose of cleaning the paint. Any cleaning would come from the mechanical action of the applicator or pad working against the paint's surface. The same can be said of the other pure polishes in the Meguiar's line up including: M03, M05, M81, M45 and DC 2. That question has come up numerous times over the years as the titile of "polish" can be a little confusing.

I hope that helps!

Tim

Yes, I found some your archived posts Tim, and they confirmed as much.

[rusty bumper]

Re: #7 Showcar Glaze information, Please...

BTW, Rusty, is it possible that you are mis-remembering, perhaps confusing DC1 with 81? I know that for a long time it was believed that DC1 did not contain any diminishing abrasives but that eventually Mike P. confirmed that it did contain them. Anyway, do let us know if you find the thread you're looking for. Good luck!

Al

Really? I didn't know that DC1 had abrasives (or at least I can't remember). Well, that's good to know, because it does a great job on mild to moderate paint defects.

As for looking for the thread, it's not that big of a deal. Deep down inside I know that #81 is mainly used as polish, and I use it as such. Definitely not for paint correction.