NXT 2.0 Alternatives?

[NiNe STaR SHiNe]

Hi All,


I am taking back my bottle of NXT 2.0 in hopes of either exchanging for a new one that is not faulty, Or perhaps even another wax altogether.


So what waxes by Meguiars have you all had luck with by hand? I have a LOT of time to work just not much money.


I know different waxes have different effects on varying cars/colors/types of paint ect so I am working on a red 1995 ford escort lx and I`d like to have the best depth, gloss, and reflectiveness attainable by hand on this particular car. And if it makes dark colors darker such as NXT 2.0 then that will be a little bonus.

[Tuck91]

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What was wrong with the original bottle of NXT 2.0?

[akimel]

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9Star, if you and NXT just can't get along, and sometimes that just happens with detailers and their waxes (thank goodness for Meguiar's 100% customer satisfaction guarantee), may I suggest that you try M26 Hi Tech Yellow Wax. As with all waxes, be sure to apply a THIN coat.

Streaking is usually caused by one of the following: (a) the wax is applied too thick; (b) the wax is removed before it has properly dried; and (c) the wax was left on the surface too long. The last two are more easily corrected than the first. The Swipe Test usually provides a good way to determine when the wax is ready to remove. But learning to apply thin coats can be a challenge for many of us, at least it is for me. One experienced detailer keeps telling me to strive for "whisper-thin" coat. It should be just or hardly visible. The problem is that when it is hardly visible, I have a hard time believing I have applied enough, and so I over-compensate.

I have not had a problem with NXT streaking on me, but I know that others have had this problem. I recently experienced a sweating problem with a very expensive wax that everyone says is dummy-proof. I'm pretty sure that I applied it too thick, despite the fact that at the time I thought I was applying a thin coat.

I propose that we newbs should adopt the following as a working principle: Assume that the problem lies not with the product but with the user. Every product has a learning curve, and sometimes it just takes us a good while to climb that curve.

[Calais]

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I rather like Gold Class wax, I would recommend it to anyone.

[PCC]

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Although I've decided to try NXT 2.0, I was always a big Gold Class (paste) fan before joining the forum. If I have any doubts/issues with NXT 2.0 I'll go back to my old friend GC.

Patrick

[Megafast13]

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NXT 2.0 is the best overall, then M26 and Gold Class Are great!

What was wrong with the original bottle of NXT 2.0?

[CieraSL]

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Might also consider M21 Synthetic Sealant. Same type of product as NXT 2.0, but I haven't noticed any problems with it streaking. It's a couple of bucks more than NXT 2.0, though. I got it for $18.99 at O'Reilly Auto Parts. Might try that, and if you don't like it either, you can always return it.

[NiNe STaR SHiNe]

Re: NXT 2.0 Alternatives?

9Star, if you and NXT just can't get along, and sometimes that just happens with detailers and their waxes (thank goodness for Meguiar's 100% customer satisfaction guarantee), may I suggest that you try M26 Hi Tech Yellow Wax. As with all waxes, be sure to apply a THIN coat.

Streaking is usually caused by one of the following: (a) the wax is applied too thick; (b) the wax is removed before it has properly dried; and (c) the wax was left on the surface too long. The last two are more easily corrected than the first. The Swipe Test usually provides a good way to determine when the wax is ready to remove. But learning to apply thin coats can be a challenge for many of us, at least it is for me. One experienced detailer keeps telling me to strive for "whisper-thin" coat. It should be just or hardly visible. The problem is that when it is hardly visible, I have a hard time believing I have applied enough, and so I over-compensate.

I have not had a problem with NXT streaking on me, but I know that others have had this problem. I recently experienced a sweating problem with a very expensive wax that everyone says is dummy-proof. I'm pretty sure that I applied it too thick, despite the fact that at the time I thought I was applying a thin coat.

I propose that we newbs should adopt the following as a working principle: Assume that the problem lies not with the product but with the user. Every product has a learning curve, and sometimes it just takes us a good while to climb that curve.

You and tuck apparently have not read ANY of the posts I have made or commented on about NXT 2.0 so just go ahead and stay in the dark about it =(

You both will probably stop reading now so I`ll continue for those who would read.


Have had these "streaks" roughly 27 out of 30 coats combined on different vehicles, and applied thinner and thinner coats each time as I got better at applying thin coats and to no avail. I performed 3-5 "swipe tests" per panel one time I waxed starting with the last panel to be waxed and the coat was VERY thin,it had dried for 40-50 minuted and barely could see it when was first applied and ALL of the "swipe tests" swiped clean to the paint so I removed and sure enough it streaked on each panel. It is said that these are "polymers/molecules" that are supposed to adhere to the paint but are a little slower to dry/haze/adhere and are simply being pushed around. That is why sometimes it`s reported that when wiped the streaks will change direction almost like some sort of oil on the paint.

If that is true then to prevent this you would think, "alright, I`ll let it dry a little longer next time" but, like I said "20 minutes not long enough, still streaks, 30-45 minutes not long enough still streaks...45 minutes to an hour is just right but, STREAKS! and then today, I let a thin coat dry for an hour and 10 minutes and it streaked worse than ever...instead of 5-15% of the panel it was more like 80-90% of the panel...I think it`s the molecules that make dark paint darker being too "gobbed up" in the formula and yes I shake the hell out of it for at least 30-45 seconds or more each time.

[CieraSL]

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Have had these "streaks" roughly 27 out of 30 coats combined on different vehicles, and applied thinner and thinner coats each time as I got better at applying thin coats and to no avail. I performed 3-5 "swipe tests" per panel one time I waxed starting with the last panel to be waxed and the coat was VERY thin,it had dried for 40-50 minuted and barely could see it when was first applied and ALL of the "swipe tests" swiped clean to the paint so I removed and sure enough it streaked on each panel. It is said that these are "polymers/molecules" that are supposed to adhere to the paint but are a little slower to dry/haze/adhere and are simply being pushed around. That is why sometimes it`s reported that when wiped the streaks will change direction almost like some sort of oil on the paint.

If that is true then to prevent this you would think, "alright, I`ll let it dry a little longer next time" but, like I said "20 minutes not long enough, still streaks, 30-45 minutes not long enough still streaks...45 minutes to an hour is just right but, STREAKS! and then today, I let a thin coat dry for an hour and 10 minutes and it streaked worse than ever...instead of 5-15% of the panel it was more like 80-90% of the panel...I think it`s the molecules that make dark paint darker being too "gobbed up" in the formula and yes I shake the hell out of it for at least 30-45 seconds or more each time.

Quick question: Were both your applicator pad and your microfiber clean? Sometimes that can cause streaking. Sometimes I have to switch applicators or microfibers in order to avoid streaking. What kind of microfiber towel were you using? I don't know about you, but some of my microfibers are better for removing one type of product but not so much for others. Was it humid or cool outside? I have problems with streaking under both those conditions, and I imagine that you have worse humidity in Alabama than we do in Tennessee. If none of these is an issue for you, than I think I'm stumped, and you probably just got a bad bottle. I have found that NXT 2.0 is fabulous if applied under just the right conditions and with the right materials. Just my two cents. Hope it helps!

[NiNe STaR SHiNe]

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Akimel: I propose that we newbs should adopt the following as a working principle: Assume that the problem lies not with the product but with the user. Every product has a learning curve, and sometimes it just takes us a good while to climb that curve.




Alright lets say we did that but by coincidence each product we bought was faulty or out a "bad batch" as the original NXT had a bad batch released and we keep having major problems with each of these "faulty" products. After a while would that not be discouraging to the average person, especially if they want the gratification of applying a coat of wax, letting it dry/haze, removing and seeing the SHINE instead of doing all of the above and having to wipe and walk away and come back the next day to see SHINE or whatever it is we were attempting?

[NiNe STaR SHiNe]

Re: NXT 2.0 Alternatives?

Quick question: Were both your applicator pad and your microfiber clean? Sometimes that can cause streaking. Sometimes I have to switch applicators or microfibers in order to avoid streaking. What kind of microfiber towel were you using? I don't know about you, but some of my microfibers are better for removing one type of product but not so much for others. Was it humid or cool outside? I have problems with streaking under both those conditions, and I imagine that you have worse humidity in Alabama than we do in Tennessee. If none of these is an issue for you, than I think I'm stumped, and you probably just got a bad bottle. I have found that NXT 2.0 is fabulous if applied under just the right conditions and with the right materials. Just my two cents. Hope it helps!

I ALWAYS clean ALL materials when finished working, therefor I KNOW they will be clean/dry and ready to use the next time but, I applied with primed and supplied applicator, removed with megs SS M/F. I have waxed early in the morning when humidity is at its lowest and same streaks no matter how long it dries. So I also have had streaking in like I said at least 25 out of 30 applications, and 3 of the 5 I did not have streaks were on white cars but they are not visible then so they could be WAY worse then the dark cars/trucks. So that leaves it to a bad bottle out of a bad batch.

[CieraSL]

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Weird. Well, I'd guess that it's probably safe to say you got a bad bottle. I'd go ahead and return it and pick up a new bottle. It's really a fabulous product if you're willing to give it another go.

Another thought that just came to mind, what was your process and products used before you applied the NXT 2.0? Did you wash, clay, polish, or what exactly? Just trying to cover every possible angle.

[RGP]

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You and tuck apparently have not read ANY of the posts I have made or commented on about NXT 2.0 so just go ahead and stay in the dark about it =(

You both will probably stop reading now so I`ll continue for those who would read.

Welcome to the Forum!!!

You seem wise beyond your years, but I believe that we should all respect the opinions of others here on this forum. Perhaps they haven't yet gotten around to reading your multitude of theads and posts. Just give 'em a chance and I'm certain they'll eventually catch up to you...

[Tuck91]

Re: NXT 2.0 Alternatives?

Welcome to the Forum!!!

You seem wise beyond your years, but I believe that we should all respect the opinions of others here on this forum. Perhaps they haven't yet gotten around to reading your multitude of theads and posts. Just give 'em a chance and I'm certain they'll eventually catch up to you...

Thank you Bob, well said

[akimel]

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I think it is accurate to say that most people find NXT very user friendly; but one does find reports of streaking from various people. I do find it curious that one does not find an equal number of reports about streaking from users of M21. I do not know if this is because NXT users outnumber M21 users or because M21 does not cause streaking or because M21 users tend to know what they are doing.

But as I have previously stated, I always assume, and I think we must always assume, that user error is more likely than product failure. I hope no one is offended. I assume this also for myself.