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**akimel** · Jul 24, 2009, 11:30 AM

Re: ONR or Griot's

As I understand it, Griot's waterless wash is used straight from the bottle, right? ONR, on the other hand, is mixed with water (1 oz. ONR per 2 gals. water). I'm no mathematician, but I think the ONR is a significantly better buy. I'll let someone else do the math.

**harshest** · Jul 24, 2009, 11:34 AM

Re: ONR or Griot's

Since Meguiar's doesn't offer a rinseless product then I think it's fair game. I wish Meguiar's would make a rinseless product

I have only used ONR and really like it. I have heard good stuff about DP Rinseless Wash & Gloss as well. There is a review over at autogeek on the Griots waterless wash. The reviewer did not really care for it and I can't imagine that it is any more that a beefed up quick detailer.

Here is another thread at AG

**sudsbyhubbs** · Jul 24, 2009, 11:53 AM

Re: ONR or Griot's

Griot's is spray out of the bottle, so I probably would use more with it. As far as it being a beefed up QD, it definitely had more lubricity than any QD I've used and it really did a good job removing grime and bugs. But, it would probably make more sense to go with ONR from a volume standpoint.

**new2detailing** · Jul 24, 2009, 01:21 PM

Re: ONR or Griot's

I have used Griot's, ONR and DP. All three are very good products. However, I find that DP and ONR are about equal in performance ( I usually buy what is on sale) and prefer them over the Griot's product. The Griot's waterless is perfect for touchups IMO, but I have replaced my washing routine with the rinseless products. Both ONR and DP can also be diluted and made into a pretty good detailer (but I have yet to find a QD I like more than UQD).

**CharlesW** · Jul 24, 2009, 01:50 PM

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Apples to Oranges.

Two completely different products intended to be used in two completely different ways.
As far as cost, the rinseless washes will be much more economical.
That's certainly not to say that waterless washes are bad.
I have been using Poorboy's Spray & Wipe for about 6 years and it is one of my favorite products.
As far as rinseless washes, I have been using ONR and DP for 2 or 3 years. Since they came out, but I don't really remember just when that was. Prior to that, I had used the QEW product to some extent.

Personal opinions follow and may be totally contrary to others.
1. I would not use rinseless or waterless products on a crusty dirty vehicle. We have that a lot in Iowa.
2. My waterless washes are usually preceded by a trip to the DIY spray wash or a touchless drive-thru and they only need to remove the road film that the quick washes don't take off.
3. I'm not in the least concerned about the quick washes taking off my wax/sealant since they don't even take of all the dirt. How can the take off wax and still leave the dirty road film on the vehicle?
4. The waterless washes are only used on slightly dirty cars. After driving in rain for instance. Any heavy accumulation and the prewash is done at the DIY of drive-thru.
5. Rinseless washes are done on pretty dirty vehicles unless they actually have crusty or caked on dirt. That's not usually a problem other than during the winter. Caked on dirt and it's trip to the DIY or drive-thru.
6. I have used several waterless wash & wax products like Dri Wash N Guard and have not been impressed with any of them.
7. I have not used any spray on, wipe off wash products other than the PB's S&W. I like it and see no reason to change at this time.
8. ONR, DP, and QEW all seem to work about the same. Right now, I would probably purchase whichever was on sale. I have read that the wash mitts don't get a dirty with the QEW, but I really don't remember. The do get very dirty with ONR and DO RW&G.

That's a lot of post about non Meguiar's products and I would understand if the moderators decided to remove it.
While I'm not an expert by any means, I have used the waterless and rinseless products extensively. If you have questions or suggestions, PM me.
I will try to help anyway I can and am always interested in other people's ideas and processes.

**akimel** · Jul 24, 2009, 02:16 PM

Re: ONR or Griot's

Good comparison, Charles. Thanks. how do see the difference between using a waterless wash and using a quick detailer?

**CharlesW** · Jul 24, 2009, 02:31 PM

Re: ONR or Griot's

Originally posted by akimel View Post

Good comparison, Charles. Thanks. how do see the difference between using a waterless wash and using a quick detailer?

Not being a real big "how does it work?" person, I can't really say what the difference is or if there even is one.
I do know that I feel much more comfortable using the S&W than I do using a QD.
I do like and use several QDs including Meguiar's Final Inspection, Meg's Final Detail, Mother's Showtime, Eagle One Wipe & Shine, and Four Star Ultimate Gloss Enhancer to name a few I remember.
The S&W just "feels" like it does a better job of encapsulating the dirt. Whatever that is.

FWIW, I was not at all impressed with the rinseless washes when mixed at the then recommended ration ad used as a QD. I think ONR increased the recommended amount used from 6 oz. per gallon to 8 oz. per gallon
Rinseless washes, yes. Anything else, not for me at this time.

**new2detailing** · Jul 24, 2009, 04:20 PM

Re: ONR or Griot's

As per "CharlesW" suggestion to pre rinse via a DIY spray wash for a heavily soiled car, that advice is spot on. I should have amended my first post with a caveat about rinseless "only" on lightly soiled vehicles. There still is a time and place for a traditional wash. However, that being said I done exactly "one" traditional wash this season(today) with the rest being rinseless.

**CharlesW** · Jul 24, 2009, 04:33 PM

Re: ONR or Griot's

Originally posted by new2detailing View Post

As per "CharlesW" suggestion to pre rinse via a DIY spray wash for a heavily soiled car, that advice is spot on. I should have amended my first post with a caveat about rinseless "only" on lightly soiled vehicles. There still is a time and place for a traditional wash. However, that being said I done exactly "one" traditional wash this season(today) with the rest being rinseless.

The waterless and rinseless washes now make up almost all of my washing.
Two vehicles just about weekly and I think I have done one conventional wash this year. Probably only three last year. Mostly to see if I remembered how.

I may be repeating myself, but one nice thing for me is being able to wash in the garage. No worries about sun or windblown dirt. I have even washed a vehicle in the garage on a day it was raining and since we weren't driving it until the next day, it was clean when it hit the road the next morning.

**erobertson** · Jul 24, 2009, 04:50 PM

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I've used both products and keep a small container on hand of each. I think the ONR is more suitable for dirtier vehicles and would be my choice in the dead of winter when nothing else is available. When you use it with a two bucket method it will at least let you get the heavy salt deposits under control.

I'd probably never try using the Griot's for winter cleaning but do find it a great product for quick cleanups that are just beyond a detail spray but not quite ready for the bucket and hose. Their green MF towels that where designed for this product are very soft and exceedingly thick. The combination gives you a little more confidence that you're not going swirl up the paint. Since you are spraying and wiping straight from the bottle, the process is quick and simple.

So in my mind it's not and either/or as both products have their own place.

**J. A. Michaels** · Jul 24, 2009, 05:42 PM

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I agree with Charles on a lot of his points. I just "discovered" ONR this year. It is now the main way I wash most vehicles. I like the convenience of it. The ability to wash inside the garage. It makes life simpler.

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