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  • Is 100% correction too much?

    Dave KG, one of my favorite detailing writers, recently published an article addressing the question of paint correction: Paint Correction--What You Should be Considering! You may find it an instructive read. Here is his conclusion:

    100% correction - this seems to be what is aspired to by most who do machine polishing, but just what does this mean for your car's paintwork? Is it really safe to go for? Are there really tenable benefits?

    First off, in order to restore the finish of a car to make it stand out from a crowd, attract the eye and restore colour and clarity, you do not need to remove every single little mark! 90% correction of all marks on the paintwork will result in a major turnaround on the car, and this would likely be achieved with the loss of 5um of paint or less... Getting another 5% correction (removal of some of the RDS) may cost you another 5um of paint, and the difference you actually see in practice becomes a lot less pronounced. Shooting towards 100% correction and you may well be looking at very significant paint removal to ensure every RDS, scratch, etching is removed... Now 100% correction is a great thing to claim you have, but in real world terms what has it bought you? There's no enhancement to clarity, gloss, depth - that came at the 90% level. All you achieve is the knowledge that some deeper scratches are also no longer there, and this may well have cost you a large amount of paint thus pulling the integrity of the clearcoat into question along with dramatically reducing the scope for future correction work to be carried out.

    Being honest, achieving 100% correction is easy - keep polishing and you'll soon remove enough paint to correct a mark... but sensible correction is what you should be aiming for and should be the top most consderation when it comes to paint removal... how much is sensible to remove, and what correction is sensible to obtain given the car's future life. There's little point in removing 30um of CC on a car to get 100% correction (where 5um gave 95%) if the car is a hard working daily driver which is going to pick up marks again in the near future... not only is the CC integrity pulled into question, there is dramatically reduced scope to remove the marks that the car will inevitably pick up. Whenever carrying out paintwork correction, don't just think about getting the marks out - consider a lot more: what is safe; what is sensible; what achieves the results you are looking for without removing huge amounts of paint....

    Obviously if one is considering a garage queen, then 100% correction is something more important, but again be very careful about what the work you are doing means for the paintwork in correction... As above, actually carrying out correction is comparitively easy... Carefully consider what you are doing and what this will mean for the paintwork you are working on is much harder and is to me far more the mark of a good detailer than raw correction alone.

    So, check you're removal rates - does one hit with IP remove 5um of paint, get 95% correction and look superb? If so, does getting out Fast Cut Plus and battering a further 10um away for the sake of a few RDS make sense? It may do, on some cars, but does it on the car you are working on? I would urge great consideration of this, and pay very particular attention not just to how many marks you are getting out but rather the amount of paint you are removing and what this is going to mean for the life of the paintwork.

    I add here that I am not suggesting we all stop going for the best correction we can - this is something every detailer, including myself, strives to achieve along with the best possible finish in terms of clarity and gloss... But what I am proposing is that far greater care is taken on the actual amounts of paint removed and that more than just outright correction is considered as to me there is much more to correcting a car's paintwork than this.
    I have never achieved nor sought to achieve 100% correction, though I would have like to have removed a higher percentage of swirls than I did the last time I polished Luthien.

    What level of correction do you aim for?
    Swirls hide in the black molecular depths, only waiting for the right time to emerge and destroy your sanity.
    --Al Kimel

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    Re: Is 100% correction too much?

    Not looking for perfection.

    My car is old and has too many little imperfections,that are not easily fixed.

    I live with it.

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    • #3
      Re: Is 100% correction too much?

      100% correction for me is considerd a new paint job...

      i aim for 80%, i am just a hobby detailer...
      Regards Voltaire

      The shiny one from Zürich

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      • #4
        Re: Is 100% correction too much?

        90 to 95%
        Nick
        Tucker's Detailing Services
        815-954-0773
        2012 Ford Transit Connect

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        • #5
          Re: Is 100% correction too much?

          around 90% and I am very happy.
          quality creates its own demand

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          • #6
            Re: Is 100% correction too much?

            I aim for 100% in the sense that I want the best finish possible, but I've been preaching what Dave has written for a while now as well. Removing too much cc is worse than leaving the car as is in my opinion so I always strive to achieve the best results that I can safely achieve... This usually ends up being anywhere from 80-100% perfection but it's only once I see the car where I can actually set some goals for the correction.

            In short, I aim to achieve 100% of what I can safely achieve with correction, not necessarily perfection.
            Ivan Rajic - LUSTR Auto Detail
            Chicago, Illinois

            Recognized as One of the Top Nine Auto Detailers in the US by AutoWeek Magazine!!

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            • #7
              Re: Is 100% correction too much?

              I think 90% correction is just right for a daily driver that you plan on keeping for the long term.

              Since I was 16 I've had 3 daily drivers now, all of them were kept for at least 5 years and I do the 90% correction every spring and fall, even though some rids still remain everybody has always said "that car looks like brand new"

              Now if its a show car or a car your planning on getting the highest resale value, then 100% would be a good goal

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              • #8
                Re: Is 100% correction too much?

                Very good article. I somehow scratched and swirled my hood when washing my car before a detail a few months ago. I would say I got a 95% correction on it. To the untrained eye, it looks absolutely swirl free.
                -James
                2012 Chevy Silverado ECSB. Z71 4x4. 5.3


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                • #9
                  Re: Is 100% correction too much?

                  havent been on in awhile but just browsing through curious to how to tell the amount of clear coat that you have removed from polishing

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                  • #10
                    Re: Is 100% correction too much?

                    Paint thickness gauge. Measuring before and after tells you how much has been removed.

                    But it doesn't tell you how much you have left.


                    pc.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Is 100% correction too much?

                      100% paint correction is in the eye of the beholder.
                      Freedom prospers when Christianity is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged

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                      • #12
                        Re: Is 100% correction too much?

                        Originally posted by Eddie6th View Post
                        Not looking for perfection.

                        My car is old and has too many little imperfections,that are not easily fixed.

                        I live with it.
                        I've got all kinds of scratches and chips. I'm going to have a few parts painted, but not the whole car. I plan to go to town on it with some M80 and a G110 once I get them and see were that gets me but I know I'm never going to hit 100% and I don't need to. I drive the car every day, as long as it looks really good (by my standards) I am happy.
                        James - 1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais
                        Calais Auto Detailing
                        CalaisDetails@aim.com
                        www.calaisdetailing.com (under construction)

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                        • #13
                          Re: Is 100% correction too much?

                          Originally posted by OhioCarBuff View Post
                          if...your planning on getting the highest resale value, then 100% would be a good goal
                          Most people would be impressed, but if I see 100% correction on a car being sold, I walk away. I think that's the whole point of Dave's article - to educate people about the true cost of 100% correction. 100% correction involves heavy and repeated compounding - I don't want anything to do with a car that's been through that.

                          If you're selling a daily driver, then 100% correction may yield a better resale, but if you're selling a nice car to enthousiasts, chances are they'll pick-up on what's been involved in getting the car to look the way it is.

                          90% is the right level IMO and I'm glad Dave "put it out there".

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                          • #14
                            Re: Is 100% correction too much?

                            85%. 24/7 outside daily driver.

                            If I can keep it looking 85% (pretty decent) and keep the paint protected, I will be happy and know that I am doing more than most people and my car's paint looks better than most 2008 Super White Corollas out there
                            2008 Toyota Corolla 5-spd
                            2005 Honda CRF250R
                            2002 kawasaki Ninja ZX9R

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                            • #15
                              Re: Is 100% correction too much?

                              That is a fantastic article! It's very easy for me (having OCDetailing) to try to get everything out I see reflected by my halogens. That's why it's taking me longer than it should to finish a daily driver paint correction.

                              I think 80% is fantastic on most cars and especially light colors. The public can't tell the difference between 80% and 100% anyway and as this article so brilliantly points out, 80% looks fantastic compared to the "before".

                              Dark requires a little more or using some fillers, but still looks fantastic on most cars in the owner's eyes.

                              New mantra: reduce a scratch, remove a swirl, reduce a scratch, remove a swirl...

                              Happy 4th everybody!

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