Hazing/Micro Marring

[Krozi]

I hope this is in the right section

I have a Jet Black BMW and the clear coat on this paint is very hard.
I wanted to get rid of some swirls and stupidly used Turtle Wax Rubbing compound. Now i have a lot of hazing/micro marring. Wax fills in these flaws in the finish but only for 2 weeks and then the hazing and micro marring reappears. I fear than I have already made the clear-coat dangerously thin with the rubbing compound and that cut polishing will leave the paint exposed to the sun. Is that right?
How can I remove these defects?

Thank you for any help

-Krozi

[Murr1525]

Re: Hazing/Micro Marring

Well, start off with something like SwirlX, and work an application or two into the paint in a test spot, with a foam applicator, and see what kind of results you get. You can always step up to stronger products from there.

[Krozi]

Re: Hazing/Micro Marring

I actually forgot to mention that I used a random orbital (Porter Cable 7424) with some swirl remover and glaze. That made the finish better but not perfect.

When there is no wax filing the imperfections it looks really bad, but when there is wax in the imperfections the finish looks really good.

[SCBMW]

Re: Hazing/Micro Marring

I feel your pain man!! Check out this thread. You'll find that Jet Black and Crimson Red are actually very very soft...............

205 and Marring?

I found out that my washing process was causing all my swirls! The Megs water magnet is GREAT but not on super soft clearcoats. I use ONR to wash and things are much better.
Do some lurking on e90post.com. They have a detailing subforum thats helpful.
As far as paint correction, UC on a LC CCS white or green pad, Menzerna PO85rd or Super Finish on a LC CCS black or blue pad works for me. Really soft (maybe new) micros like the Megs SS for product removal is key to prevent swirls after correction.

[Murr1525]

Re: Hazing/Micro Marring

What were the swirl remover and glaze?

[Krozi]

Re: Hazing/Micro Marring

What were the swirl remover and glaze?

I used Pinnacle Swirl remover #1 and Pinnacle Carnauba Glaze, and finished off with Meguiars Tech Wax 2.0

[Krozi]

Re: Hazing/Micro Marring

I feel your pain man!! Check out this thread. You'll find that Jet Black and Crimson Red are actually very very soft...............

205 and Marring?

I found out that my washing process was causing all my swirls! The Megs water magnet is GREAT but not on super soft clearcoats. I use ONR to wash and things are much better.
Do some lurking on e90post.com. They have a detailing subforum thats helpful.
As far as paint correction, UC on a LC CCS white or green pad, Menzerna PO85rd or Super Finish on a LC CCS black or blue pad works for me. Really soft (maybe new) micros like the Megs SS for product removal is key to prevent swirls after correction.

"Oh boy.

I havent had the chance to use 205 yet but with Jet Black youre gonna have some um...fun.

Jet Black by BMW is probably along the lines of being one of the softest, most difficult paints(for those without experience) to play with.

There are tons of reports of Jet Black marring with even the slightest touch from the softest microfiber.

DA machines with finishing pads and even something like an AIO or finishing polish produce nasty micromarring(just like you have experienced). Which if you think about is even harder to get out considering how

On forums asking "which car color do I get" people have been advised to stay away from Jet Black because of the constant care it would require plus the fact that its so hard to even lightly polish with a DA with it being so incredibly soft.

Typically its the orbital action of the DA that creates this micromarring and unfortunately I don't think there is a report yet of anyone using a DA successfully. I recall another thread on a another forum about new car prep on this color to just AIO it on a finishing pad and then seal or wax, but then this was recommended not to do because it would just marr everything.

All that being said I have had the luxury of working with Jet Black recently and if it weren't for the customers friend being a friend and great regular of mine, I would have turned it down. I ended up using only a rotary and it finished out fantastic but I did just try a small spot with a PC to see what people were talking about and its for real. This paint was a nightmare but fortunately finished out great enough for the guy to sell(thank goodness the man listened). A rotary is the only polishing that will work, I think in this case

My advice is to trade the car in for the Sapphire Black(the metallic black, I think thats the name) or find a top level professional in your area proficient with a rotary or one who has experienced Jet Black. Black is a ton of work to keep nice, Jet Black is at a whole nother' level. Its so soft that even with the best of best washing techniques and drying techniques you will easily get some marring..the paint is too darn soft for IMO anything.

I hope this helps..sorry for the scatter. That has been my experience"

Member Getcha wrote this. I guess I am screwed?

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Hazing/Micro Marring

Krozi, all is not lost. We've had a couple of new Honda Fits come through our garage in recent months, both black, and both about as delicate as a warm stick of butter on a hot summer day.

What we found in these cases, and similar (thinking about a particular original single stage black 1982 Ferrari 512BBi that was, well, let's just say challenging) was that an application of either ColorX, M66 Professional Quick Detailer, or D151 Paint Reconditioning Creme did the trick. In each case we ran the G110 at speed 3 and used a W9207 Soft Buff 2.0 Finishing Pad with only light to moderate pressure. We would leave behind a very thin film of product after gently working it for several minutes, let it haze, and wipe off with a pretty fresh microfiber towel. Each of these products is essentially a cleaner wax - performing both the cleaning/defect removal and waxing in a single step. Minimal touching of the paint is critical when paint is this soft, so selecting one product that can handle multiple steps certainly helps.

[Murr1525]

Re: Hazing/Micro Marring

The wax in the cleaner/wax also adds a bit more lubrication, both while applying and removing. As Mike says, gentle is key.

I could even see spraying some QD around after future washes while you dry. Anything to try to lubricate.

[SCBMW]

Re: Hazing/Micro Marring

M. Stoops is the MAN!!!

OP let us know how is goes.

[Krozi]

Re: Hazing/Micro Marring

Krozi, all is not lost. We've had a couple of new Honda Fits come through our garage in recent months, both black, and both about as delicate as a warm stick of butter on a hot summer day.

What we found in these cases, and similar (thinking about a particular original single stage black 1982 Ferrari 512BBi that was, well, let's just say challenging) was that an application of either ColorX, M66 Professional Quick Detailer, or D151 Paint Reconditioning Creme did the trick. In each case we ran the G110 at speed 3 and used a with only light to moderate pressure. We would leave behind a very thin film of product after gently working it for several minutes, let it haze, and wipe off with a pretty fresh microfiber towel. Each of these products is essentially a cleaner wax - performing both the cleaning/defect removal and waxing in a single step. Minimal touching of the paint is critical when paint is this soft, so selecting one product that can handle multiple steps certainly helps.

So which of the 3 products (ColorX, M66 Professional Quick Detailer, D151 Paint Reconditioning Creme) listed above work best?

Also, if this the right pad? (W9207 Soft Buff 2.0 Finishing Pad)


Thanks

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Hazing/Micro Marring

Yes, that's the correct pad - W9207 Soft Buff 2.0 Finishing.


As to which of the three products mentioned will work best - that has a lot to do with how the finish on your car responds, and how careful you are when working on its apparently finicky finish. With the couple of Honda Fits mentioned previously, there really was no consensus on which product produced the best results - side by side some people preferred ColorX while others found D151 more to their liking. ColorX has the advantage of being a widely available consumer product while M66 is harder to find and only available by the gallon, and D151 has even more limited distribution. ADS does sell sample sizes of both M66 and D151 at some very attractive prices.

[Krozi]

Re: Hazing/Micro Marring

Yes, that's the correct pad - W9207 Soft Buff 2.0 Finishing.


As to which of the three products mentioned will work best - that has a lot to do with how the finish on your car responds, and how careful you are when working on its apparently finicky finish. With the couple of Honda Fits mentioned previously, there really was no consensus on which product produced the best results - side by side some people preferred ColorX while others found D151 more to their liking. ColorX has the advantage of being a widely available consumer product while M66 is harder to find and only available by the gallon, and D151 has even more limited distribution. ADS does sell sample sizes of both M66 and D151 at some very attractive prices.

Thank you very much for the info. I'll give the ColorX a go