PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

[akimel]

Porter Cable has released their new dual action polisher:



I do not see an significant improvement upon the G110, which the XP is clearly intended to compete against. I doubt anyone at Meguiar's is losing much sleep, though it's always good to have choices.

[kaptain_zero]

Re: PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

My personal view is that I don't think the XP improved on the original at all except that in it consumes more power (and I thought we were supposed to cut back on our power consumption to save the world?!?!). The new style venting begs for a hand to close them off thus reducing the amount of cooling air reaching the windings of the motor. The added length does nothing to improve the machine but makes it more ungainly. The new handle forces your hand to be further away from the head, the original gives you the option on where you hold it on the handle.

The increased cord length IS an improvement, at least one site I've seen has made note of that though I'm not entirely sure that feature is available from all dealers or just the one that I read.

The increased power/speed is touted as an improvement...... unfortunately, unless they switched the design to a true DA like the Flex, I don't see how the added power will make any difference over the original. The original is (apologies to Ford) is tried, tested and true..... the new model..... well, only time will tell.

Question, does anyone know where the new unit is made? My 7424 was assembled in Mexico but I strongly suspect that the new one hails from China though I have no knowledge of that myself. What I DO know is that the local Porter Cable dealers have been complaining about reduced quality over the original products..... perhaps the B&D buyout is having a negative effect?!?!

Regards

Christian

[xantonin]

Re: PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

I'm a sucker because I bought the G110 merely because it was branded by Meguiar's...

<3

[Bounty]

Re: PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

Porter Cable has released their new dual action polisher:

I do not see an significant improvement upon the G110, which the XP is clearly intended to compete against. I doubt anyone at Meguiar's is losing much sleep, though it's always good to have choices.

Couple quick points on the XP version of the PC7424...

1. New switch, speed setting, and over-all design

The newer ergonomics of the unit were created via feedback from customers and field testing. The older model switch/speed setting can be a bit cumbersome to use when detailing but nothing extraordinary. The newer version will probably boil down to a "feel" or preference choice. The differences in handle were meant to move your hand farther from the motor and head of the unit in an effort to reduce transmitted vibration. The truth is almost no one really uses that handle. Interesting to note that in the first customer video the participant instinctively jumps to grabbing the head of the unit of the XP (like most of us do). The increased cord length is nice but I've never had an issue with extension cords so the benefit is limited.

2. Improved/more powerful motor

The comparisons between the PC7424 and the G110 will probably never cease but it's funny how everyone toughts the more powerful motor on the G110 yet Meguiar's does not recommend speed setting 6 which means you're only comparing speed 5 on the G110 to speed 6 on the PC 7424...and the XP version only improves on that. Truth is you can use setting 6 on any of them and the XP closes the gap in terms of overall power with the G110.

3. New construction

This one is really undeterminable until some units have been put through extensive field trials and use. Hopefully the same quality of design and construction are there.

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In all I feel it's an overall improvement over the PC7424/G100 but you're talking about very similar performing tools and it's just an update to a tried-and-true model. Nothing out of the ordinary but meant to level the playing field a bit in the ROB world...not compete with the Flex or a rotary. Still a viable choice and makes the choice between it and a G110 more of a coin flip than it was with the original PC7424. Definitely not worth dumping your G100/PC7424 for this model but for guys new to the hobby it'll be yet another option.

[Eddie6th]

Re: PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

I've been chacking out a lot of DA's before I decide.I came across one the other day made by Festool.It seems to be good,but expensive.It has a 3 year warranty.I think it's called the Rotex 150 if anyone is interested in checking this out.As for the price....'it's made in Germany',but normally their goods are excellent.

The G110/220 I think is good value for money.If it was manufactured in the states,would probably cost a lot more.

Where is the porter cable made?

[ClearlyCoated]

Re: PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

Off topic, but if someone is going to post a youtube review of a new product, a run through might be a good idea before committing the review to video. The woman sounds like she's just winging the dialogue and I found it hard to follow with all the hemming and hawing.

[ClearlyCoated]

Re: PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

Congratulations Porter Cable! You built a right angled handle G110!

[Tuck91]

Re: PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

Couple quick points on the XP version of the PC7424...

1. New switch, speed setting, and over-all design

The newer ergonomics of the unit were created via feedback from customers and field testing. The older model switch/speed setting can be a bit cumbersome to use when detailing but nothing extraordinary. The newer version will probably boil down to a "feel" or preference choice. The differences in handle were meant to move your hand farther from the motor and head of the unit in an effort to reduce transmitted vibration. The truth is almost no one really uses that handle. Interesting to note that in the first customer video the participant instinctively jumps to grabbing the head of the unit of the XP (like most of us do). The increased cord length is nice but I've never had an issue with extension cords so the benefit is limited.

2. Improved/more powerful motor

The comparisons between the PC7424 and the G110 will probably never cease but it's funny how everyone toughts the more powerful motor on the G110 yet Meguiar's does not recommend speed setting 6 which means you're only comparing speed 5 on the G110 to speed 6 on the PC 7424...and the XP version only improves on that. Truth is you can use setting 6 on any of them and the XP closes the gap in terms of overall power with the G110.

3. New construction

This one is really undeterminable until some units have been put through extensive field trials and use. Hopefully the same quality of design and construction are there.

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In all I feel it's an overall improvement over the PC7424/G100 but you're talking about very similar performing tools and it's just an update to a tried-and-true model. Nothing out of the ordinary but meant to level the playing field a bit in the ROB world...not compete with the Flex or a rotary. Still a viable choice and makes the choice between it and a G110 more of a coin flip than it was with the original PC7424. Definitely not worth dumping your G100/PC7424 for this model but for guys new to the hobby it'll be yet another option.

I was looking forward to hearing your take on the XP.

[Tuck91]

Re: PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

Okay, so I am a little confused. Porter Cable made the G100 right? so how is Meguiars competing with Porter Cable?

How many different types of Porter Cables are there anyways? Just the original and XP?

[3Fitty]

Re: PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

If I had to do it all over again, I'd buy the Flex.

[Bounty]

Re: PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

Okay, so I am a little confused. Porter Cable made the G100 right? so how is Meguiars competing with Porter Cable?

How many different types of Porter Cables are there anyways? Just the original and XP?

There were/are a couple of different PC's...the PC7424, PC7424XP, PC7334/7335/7336 (sold as a "sanders" only but used as an automotive product for years), and relabeled polishers like the UDM (Ulitmate Detailing Machine) and the G100.

The G110 is made in Asia to my understanding and not by Porter Cable.

[ClearlyCoated]

Re: PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

Okay, so I am a little confused. Porter Cable made the G100 right? so how is Meguiars competing with Porter Cable?

How many different types of Porter Cables are there anyways? Just the original and XP?

I think PC made the G100 for Meguiars - it was essentially a rebadged PC 7424. Meguiars contracted with design engineers and farmed out the production to China when they designed the G110. I don't think Meguiars competes with Porter Cable. PC makes a wide line of well respected power tools, Megs only has the G110 - but it almost seems that PC and Megs have come full circle. The PC 7424XP is not a revolutionary design. It's a beefed up polisher with specs closer to the G110.

[Tuck91]

Re: PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

thank you Bounty and ClearlyCoated.

[TH0001]

Re: PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

The increased power/speed is touted as an improvement...... unfortunately, unless they switched the design to a true DA like the Flex, I don't see how the added power will make any difference over the original. The original is (apologies to Ford) is tried, tested and true..... the new model..... well, only time will tell.

Question, does anyone know where the new unit is made? My 7424 was assembled in Mexico but I strongly suspect that the new one hails from China though I have no knowledge of that myself. What I DO know is that the local Porter Cable dealers have been complaining about reduced quality over the original products..... perhaps the B&D buyout is having a negative effect?!?!

Regards

Christian

My 1 cent, worth 15 cents...
Hi Christian, here is my take, or two cents worth. Keep in mind in this economy it probably isn't even worth one cent and China owns the rest.

Regarding how the extra power will make a difference, or even in relation to the Flex...

Imagine the Earth (if it's orbit was circular vs. elliptical) as it rotates around the sun. This is how any orbital polisher works, only The Earth would represent the center of the pad, and The Sun would represent the axis that the pad orbits around. The distance between The Earth and The Sun would be considered the offset, and if you multiply this by two, you would have the stroke.

As the center of the pad (and all parts of the pad) orbit in this tight circle, like your hand polishing in quick little circles, the momentum of tight orbital causes the pad to begin to the rotate. Think of how The Earth spins as it orbits around The Sun.

Here is the catch...

The Earth rotates 365 days per 1 orbit, obviously. However on a Dual Action Polisher, the pad spins much slower then the orbit. A Flex is gear driven, so that it spins 1/20 or 13 degrees per orbit. At 9600 OPM (unloaded) the pad rotates exactly 480 times (9600/20). At 6000 OPM you have 300 RPM, at 5000 OPM you have 250 RPM, and so on. Imagine if one day took 20 years!?!

On a Porter Cable dual-action polisher the revolution of the pad is not forced. Using a 4 inch pad and a stiff pad, it is possible to get more RPM per OPM. At 6000 RPM it is possible to have more then 480 RPM. It is not helped nor hindered. So how why does an increase in orbit speed or more power help cut?

More power means that the machine will bog less under pressure. The 9600 OPM of the Flex or the 6000 OPM of the PC is measured unloaded. As load is applied to the machine, the action of the pad will slow down or bog. A more powerful motor should resist this (assuming that the electric motor has more power in reserve and is built to maintain a constant pre-set speed).

Second, the speed of the pad rotation on a Porter Cable is primarily dependent on the size of the orbit, the weight of the pad and plate, and the speed of orbit. Increasing the speed or increasing the stroke length will impart more rotational force on the pad, causing it to spin faster. The faster the pad moves across the paint, the more potential polishing power it has, whether in a rotational or orbital pattern.

It is likely the same reason Meguiar's sought to reasonably increase power for with new (and great) G110, IMO...

Regarding the origin of manufacturer, I will check, but I am pretty sure that they are still made in the same place and not from China. Let me double check before stating that as fact.

[Eddie6th]

Re: PC 7424 vs PC 7424XP

My honest opinion....

They should be made in their country of origin.USA.

You don't find 'Snap-On' made overseas.

One arguement would be,how much would it cost the consumer,if made in it's country of origin? 2 or 3 times the amount?

There are certain things,I don't mind being made in China,but power tools or any tools for that matter,Hmmm? Mexico? Means pretty much the same to me.