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    So, I got an opportunity to work on my father-in-law's 1981 Chevy Monte Carlo (light blue), this weekend, only I didn't have ANY of my products with me.

    A quick run over to the local Autozone and I got a few things I needed and went to work.

    The car was repainted about a year ago (maybe a bit more) with a cheapy paint job at Maaco. When touching the paint, the car felt like it had sand grains imbedded in the paint.

    I had purchased the Meg's clay kit with the consumer clay inside and got to work. I split the clay in half because I knew this car was going to be trouble. So, I started claying the hood and my clay went black INSTANTLY. I started working the clay and hit the same spot. Black again. I kept working the same spot and it just kept coming back dirty. I quickly realized that if I kept up this pace, the car would take me 4 days to just clay, so I figured I'd just do the best I could.

    Long story short is that I improved the feel of the car but not NEARLY as good as clay normally leaves the car feeling. It is like there was no end to the dirt in the paint.

    So, would this be an example of when I should be using a more aggressive clay? If so, what does it do differently? Does it pick up more crud off the paint?

    Also, suppose I kept working my mild clay in the same spot, would the mild clay eventually yield the same result as the stronger clay, just needing more passes?

    I'm just trying to figure out what I need to do to get this finish glass smooth. The next time I get a crack at this car, I want to be better prepared.
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    Re: Clay Strength

    Perhaps a start with a paint cleaner such as DC 1 would have helped

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    • #3
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      Well, after I clayed, I went over the car with SwirlX by hand and that was still pulling dirt out of the paint.

      I feel like clay was doing the job, just not fast enough. Plus, in the back of my head, I knew I didn't have my G110 or M205 or M105 or most of my other goodies, so I had to do the best with what I had.
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      • #4
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        Would seem hard to get that much dirt on it that quickly, unless they literally sprayed it with black paint after they were done. But you cant see overspray dots or anything?
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        • #5
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          I agree, start with a paint cleaner. It's prolly single stage paint and you were removing oxidation.
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          • #6
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            I think it's not the clay but the contaminates embedded into the paint.
            Maybe you need to compound it to remove contaminates and paint.

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            • #7
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              It almost feels/looks like while the paint was still wet it was exposed to a lot of dirt/dust/debris.
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              • #8
                Re: Clay Strength

                Originally posted by 3Fitty View Post
                It almost feels/looks like while the paint was still wet it was exposed to a lot of dirt/dust/debris.
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                • #9
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                  I don't have a rotary, but the cosensus seems to be to hit it with a paint cleaner before I clay. How come?
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                  • #10
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                    Is it possible that this was a single stage paint job and you were pulling pigment from the paint?

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                    • #11
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                      I would think you would notice light blue though...

                      The idea is that rubbing a cleaner around will remove dirt / dead paint that would have loaded up the clay.
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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Mark Kleis View Post
                        Is it possible that this was a single stage paint job and you were pulling pigment from the paint?
                        Exactly correct...it all depends on the paint package he purchased. The standard $99 paint job is a single coat of automotive enamel (Ambassador), a few levels higher is a single-stage paint job (Supreme), and the highest level they offer is a true base coat/clear coat (Signature).

                        The cheapest paint job is pure junk and is basically akin to model paint on your ride. The Supreme Package which is around $300 I think is a single-stage paint. The base coat/clear coat package is around $500 and the best they offer...but that's not saying much. Find out which package he purchased before further touching the car. You don't want to damage it. Then again it's not much to repaint...

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                        • #13
                          Re: Clay Strength

                          Does outside temperature have anything to do with the cleaning ability of the clay? It would seem that warmer temps would make the clay more efficient at grabbing the contaminants.
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                          • #14
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                            Its probably better when the clay isnt rock hard.
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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by Murr1525 View Post
                              I would think you would notice light blue though...

                              The idea is that rubbing a cleaner around will remove dirt / dead paint that would have loaded up the clay.
                              Heh, missed the car color before. Whoops!

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