D151 vs. M105/M205

[AeroCleanse]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

I hardly ever reach for M105 to start with. I have only used M105 on 2 cars that drive me crazy because nothing else has worked. M105 works on these two white cars where all else has failed.

For me M105 is the product of last resort rather than the first product I reach for.

[3Fitty]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

Tim,

What would you say if I presented you with this scenario...

G110 + 4" LC Pad + M105 on hard paint that doesn't remove all swirls on the first pass. A second pass removes most, but not all swirls. A third pass removes all.

In that scenario, would M105 be the correct product, seeing as it could not completely remove the defect on the first two passes?

My thinking is, if M105 couldn't do it on two passes, then NO OTHER compound could either, so by jumping to M105, I was saving time, without removing too much clear. This is a "semi-fictional" example, so if it sounds ridiculous, maybe it is but I'm just wondering if there are occasions novices (like me) should go straight to M105.

[Tim Lingor]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

Tim,

What would you say if I presented you with this scenario...

G110 + 4" LC Pad + M105 on hard paint that doesn't remove all swirls on the first pass. A second pass removes most, but not all swirls. A third pass removes all.

In that scenario, would M105 be the correct product, seeing as it could not completely remove the defect on the first two passes?

My thinking is, if M105 couldn't do it on two passes, then NO OTHER compound could either, so by jumping to M105, I was saving time, without removing too much clear. This is a "semi-fictional" example, so if it sounds ridiculous, maybe it is but I'm just wondering if there are occasions novices (like me) should go straight to M105.

Yes, that is correct. If after two passes the vast majority of swirls have been eliminated, any remaining light swirling will be removed with the next refining step, with a product like M205. So rather than keep polishing with a heavy compound until all the marring is gone, with experience, you will learn to gauge when to keep buffing or when to move on to the next, less aggressive polish in order to refine the finish and thereby removing only the necessary amount of CC.



Tim

[3Fitty]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

This has been a very useful thread. Thanks for answering the questions Tim.

I think the tendency to "jump" straight to M105 is human nature and laziness at work. We live in an "instant cure" society.

If you're fat, instead of diet and exercise, just get gastric-bypass and whammo, you'll be skinny. Same idea with M105 for rookies like me.

Instead of taking the time to master the trade, we want to jump in with the heavy artillery to show our skills when it may not be the best course of action. Thanks for the tips!!!

[cardriver]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

I'm about to order a G110 with the 1-2 punch of m105 and m205 for some corrective work. However, one of the jobs is a 1997 Ford 230kMile abused, heavily-swirled, oxidized-in-places, and worn-out work truck. I'll definitely use the 105 & 205 for corrective work, plus #7 glaze and a coat of carnauba for protection. Time or all-in-one factor is not an issue here . However, by virtue of the name "D151 Paint Reconditioning Cream", I'm intrigued if things would be overkill to throw this into the mix.

Obviously it'd be nice to "revitalize" the paint, but would the D151 really do any revitalization that I'm not already doing with the oils and such that are introduced with the m205, #7, and Carnauba?

Thanks!

[Markus Kleis]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

I'm about to order a G110 with the 1-2 punch of m105 and m205 for some corrective work. However, one of the jobs is a 1997 Ford 230kMile abused, heavily-swirled, oxidized-in-places, and worn-out work truck. I'll definitely use the 105 & 205 for corrective work, plus #7 glaze and a coat of carnauba for protection. Time or all-in-one factor is not an issue here . However, by virtue of the name "D151 Paint Reconditioning Cream", I'm intrigued if things would be overkill to throw this into the mix.

Obviously it'd be nice to "revitalize" the paint, but would the D151 really do any revitalization that I'm not already doing with the oils and such that are introduced with the m205, #7, and Carnauba?

Thanks!

If D151 were to be added into the mix it would be to use it as a middle polish (the cut is around the middle of the scale) as the M105 would have more cut, and the M205 would have less.

Odds are, you wouldn't need the D151. Plus, part of the purpose of D151 is to save time and leave a wax behind. In your case you would be immediately removing it with the M205.

I think your planned regimen should do the trick. You might want to grab some D151 for other jobs where time is limited, or customers don't want to pay a decent price (then D151 makes it somewhat worth your time).

Mark

[cardriver]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

Thanks for the advice, Mark. I'll exclude the D151 and rely mainly on the 105 & 205 for correction, and the #7 for that extra "boost", followed by a coat of carnauba.

Is there anything else you might recommend revitalize the oils or boost the juices in this old paint in addition to this regimen? I plan to do this corrective job only once every few years on this truck, so I want to do all I can in one long, complete session .

[Markus Kleis]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

Thanks for the advice, Mark. I'll exclude the D151 and rely mainly on the 105 & 205 for correction, and the #7 for that extra "boost", followed by a coat of carnauba.

Is there anything else you might recommend revitalize the oils or boost the juices in this old paint in addition to this regimen? I plan to do this corrective job only once every few years on this truck, so I want to do all I can in one long, complete session .

It sounds like you really have it ready to go.

I would also make sure that you clay the paint after your wash, and before you compound and polish.

Oh, and take lots of pictures... we love pictures!

[02zx9r]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

Instead of taking the time to master the trade, we want to jump in with the heavy artillery to show our skills when it may not be the best course of action. Thanks for the tips!!!

good point, and great tips and explanations by Tim and Mark.

Thanks

[MrCLRider]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

I'm glad I didn't pass up this thread. For me it makes me want to add some more middle cut products to my line-up. With the introduction of UC and Swirl-X, those are good middle cut products that I think we should all have. With the new abrasive scale putting the two of them before 83, it seems like a good combo to have also. If i'm not mistaken, they too have the SMAT's technology in their makeup. Please someone correct me if i'm wrong.

[MrCLRider]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

bump..

[Markus Kleis]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

I'm glad I didn't pass up this thread. For me it makes me want to add some more middle cut products to my line-up. With the introduction of UC and Swirl-X, those are good middle cut products that I think we should all have. With the new abrasive scale putting the two of them before 83, it seems like a good combo to have also. If i'm not mistaken, they too have the SMAT's technology in their makeup. Please someone correct me if i'm wrong.

Well I would point out that SwirlX is intended to finish out extremely well with a completely haze and swirl-free finish. I would not consider SwirlX to be a middle polish, however the cut it offers may be reasonably comparable to some of the weaker middle polishes out there. Ultimate Compound and SwirlX are a great combo though for paints where Ultimate Compound isn't finishing out perfectly by itself.

[MrCLRider]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

so if it is intended to finish out the surface after UC or 83 or whatever has a heavier cut, does swirl x and 205 go hand in hand??

[Markus Kleis]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

so if it is intended to finish out the surface after UC or 83 or whatever has a heavier cut, does swirl x and 205 go hand in hand??

Sort of. They are both finishing polishes and both would be great to follow 83 or Ultimate Compound. SwirlX has more cut than M205, though.

One thing that might confuse some people is that SwirlX is actually listed at a higher cut level than M83, yet it uses a different technology that allows it to finish out better than M83 usually does (M83 is meant to be followed by something like M80).

[MrCLRider]

Re: D151 vs. M105/M205

well nonetheless I'm going to pick some up soon.